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Cos it's always been one rule for them and a totally different rule for us.
I believe that Wg Cdr who left a secret laptop in his car, which was eventually stolen, was promoted shortly afterwards!
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Cos it's always been one rule for them and a totally different rule for us.
I believe that Wg Cdr who left a secret laptop in his car, which was eventually stolen, was promoted shortly afterwards!
Are you sure that wasn't the early 80's?
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JagCabMan
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Actually Yes It was 83-85 and at Gutersloh Just trying to see who is awake out there !!! LoL
Here is what happened to me.
In 2009 I did something I shouldn't have done, I was interviewed by the MOD Police and the matter was forwarded to the CPS, then I got a late notice deployment to a hot place. The day I landed back home I was told to go and see the MOD Police that day, I did so and was served with a court summons.
Whilst I was away I came off the board, that was put on hold until the civvie court thing was done and dusted. I was advised by several people that the RAF cares mainly about the publicity and also the actual punishment given, i.e. if it is a fine over about 50 quid, it's deemed quite serious. That is only what I was told informally though, so don't take that as gen.
I got a fine of £35 quid after some good work by my solicitor. Then my unit admin informed P1 and my OC Admin put forward his recommendation that he believed that I had received a punishment harsher than he would have punished me with himself, so he believed I had been punished enough. P1 came back to him telling him that they agreed and I was eventually promoted about 6 weeks after my court appearance.
There are a lot of factors that can affect whether a promotion is still allowed or not, it's mainly down to P1.
For those who weren't here at the time - don't mess with fire alarms!!
In 2009 I did something I shouldn't have done, I was interviewed by the MOD Police and the matter was forwarded to the CPS, then I got a late notice deployment to a hot place. The day I landed back home I was told to go and see the MOD Police that day, I did so and was served with a court summons.
Whilst I was away I came off the board, that was put on hold until the civvie court thing was done and dusted. I was advised by several people that the RAF cares mainly about the publicity and also the actual punishment given, i.e. if it is a fine over about 50 quid, it's deemed quite serious. That is only what I was told informally though, so don't take that as gen.
I got a fine of £35 quid after some good work by my solicitor. Then my unit admin informed P1 and my OC Admin put forward his recommendation that he believed that I had received a punishment harsher than he would have punished me with himself, so he believed I had been punished enough. P1 came back to him telling him that they agreed and I was eventually promoted about 6 weeks after my court appearance.
There are a lot of factors that can affect whether a promotion is still allowed or not, it's mainly down to P1.
For those who weren't here at the time - don't mess with fire alarms!!
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P4uldustmonkey
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Trying to keep to topic but slightly off here.I just got Formally warned for failing my fitness test. Now with the board sitting very soon for my trade i am lead to believe that anychance of promotion for me is now out of the question. I also have two and a half left in the service and i could have riuned my chances of signing on from 12 to 15 ( i know they are not signing anyone on yet for that period)Could someone please who is in the no enlighten me as i am on the verge of PVR'ing due to my own personal failing's.
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IIRC, a FW is only issued for Fitness Test Failures for failing it after the 12 week rehab period. I've seen many people pass it with relative ease when a promotion or a Further Service offer is "pending". It depends how much of the large carrot you want!
Sorry to sound blunt, but if your job is at stake, can you really not drag yourself through 3 minutes of pain (I'm assuming like most folk you can manage the first 5 or 6 levels easily). Even if it hurts you, you'll have 6 months to recover.
Sorry to sound blunt, but if your job is at stake, can you really not drag yourself through 3 minutes of pain (I'm assuming like most folk you can manage the first 5 or 6 levels easily). Even if it hurts you, you'll have 6 months to recover.
Soon To Leave
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If you don't pass your fitness test there is a real danger you might not even see out your 2 and a half years remaining. With a good Flt Cdr's recommendation regarding your attitude to fitness and determination to pass your fitness test, you can still be given an offer of promotion (althought passing of your MFT would likely be a condition of you receiving it). Without passing your MFT you could end up being promoted but with no offer of extension to 22 years (or even 15 years) so forget the secondary duties and put all your efforts into getting your fitness up to scratch.
As for PVR'ing - DON'T DO IT unless you have a job to go to. Even if you go at the 12 year point hopefully the economy will be brighter, you will have had time to save up a bit a cash and you will be entitled to your resettlement training and grant.
To be honest, if you can't pass your fitness test after a few months of hard work in the gym you haven't the mental determination or you need to see the SMO (as you could have underlying medical problems). Make sure you are being given enough time to attend the gym within working hours but be prepared to train a few hours outside of work. Speak to your local PTL or PTI and ask for advice and a bit of personal training; they'll be more than happy to help.
Good luck.
True Blue Jack
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I recently sat in on a promotion board as an observer and watched as someone who was otherwise competitive for promotion was struck off the list entirely due to a formal warning for fitness which had been awarded since the last appraisal. Harsh, maybe, and the rights and wrongs of the RAFFT having such an enduring effect on someone's career have been debated many times on here but it is a fact, nonetheless. The best advice I can give you is to participate fully in your unit's conditioning programme and pass your fitness test as soon as possible. If you do not, as STL has said, even the option of PVR may be taken from you.
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I take it that they were removed for having a FW applied. According to the rules as I can fathom, they are only struck off the PSL for the duration of the FW. However they will go to the next PSB as a 'C' candidate following the FW. As I understand it the FW will not stop an offer of promotion given to a individual, but the dossier check prior to the offer will highlight the FW to Manning, who will then decide on if the offer is still valid. Can any adminers confirm/deny this? Thanks.cup of corrrfeee
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As the board has not yet sat, in theory, you still have ample time to get your fitness test sorted out before manning see your offer.
You have nothing to lose by attempting the MFT as often as you can (allowing time(1-2 weeks) to recover) as you will pass or at least work towards passing the next time. The bleep test is usually the stumbling block but there are a few techniques for pacing yourself and executing the turns that can help.
Without knowing how far you were off passing your fitness test and which bit/s you failed and why, I can't really offer specific advice.
You have nothing to lose by attempting the MFT as often as you can (allowing time(1-2 weeks) to recover) as you will pass or at least work towards passing the next time. The bleep test is usually the stumbling block but there are a few techniques for pacing yourself and executing the turns that can help.
Without knowing how far you were off passing your fitness test and which bit/s you failed and why, I can't really offer specific advice.
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At the risk of wandering off topic again. My observation would be that "us and them" isn't a hard and fast rule, there is also a certain amount of face fitting.. As examples:
Back in the early 80's, I worked with a relatively new pilot officer who was removed from duty, put on admin holding and then had his commission revoked for bouncing 2 checks ( I knew some fellow sac's who could bounce 2 checks a week and not be booted out for it).
I also played rugby at a camp where the oic of the sport was removed over an anomaly in the club accounts. Personally I don't believe he nicked anything, but snowpake in the books and an imbalance to stock levels saw his demise.
As have most of us, I've also seen the converse - working in an ops centre at night that had the only immediately available officer in it when the RAFP called for advise as one of most senior officers on he camp was caught driving over the limit, but on private land (within the camp boundaries) - the advise was to drive him home and not log anything about it. I was also advised not to mention it to anyone ( although that was about 20 years ago).
Finally, as a sac I was personally the victim of a trumpeted up charge by an ego manic who didn't like the unit I was at ( odd situation, 2 separate blue units on a green base - one blue section has a discip who wanted to encompass both blue units, the other had no discip and the oic didn't want one, or for us to come under the other units remit). My own flt cdr was an old school guy (officers are gods, airmen should know their place etc). The big boss got wind of the charge and that the discip wouldn't drop it - plus my flt cdr was all in favour of heavy punishment for not complying with an order ( no matter how dumb the order was, I should have obeyed it etc). Day of the charge I was called to see the big boss first, he informed me that the power of punishment for me had been removed from my flight commander, and given to another officer. He then gave me a piece of paper and said, plead guilty and read this in mitigation - do not deviate by a word. I pleaded guilty to not complying with an order, and stated in mitigation that I was aware of an order that all rooms in the block were to be vacated at 11am for an inspection, and had intended to comply even though I was sleeping off nights and going back onto nights, however I had accidentally set my alarm clock for pm instead on am, and appologise for the inconvenience it caused. The case was promptly thrown out as there was no deliberate disobeying of the order so a charge was deemed inappropriate - and the boss wrote a letter to the oic of the other blue unit to ask why such a ridiculous charge had been brought and received an assurance that it wouldn't happen again . The other blue units discip really disliked me after that, especially when I got a promotion letter shortly afterwards. Found out afterwards that the big boss had taken a lot of heat before and after and has basically but his career at risk to help me - but not once did he mention any of that to me.. Shame their is not more of our senior leaders like him, although he did start off in the ranks, so had a perspective on it all I guess.....
True Blue Jack
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The individual in question had been formally warned in the time between the last appraisal and the date of the PSB, as a result of which the A grade instantly became a C and did not get read. What you mention above is the procedure for someone who has been formally warned after the PSB has sat and been ratified.
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Thanks, can't believe with my non admin knowledge I got something right! Could you tell me in your experience does anyone who has had a FW issued post PSB have good chances of promotion in that reporting year?
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GimpyBoy
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I have seen it happen once I don't know the full case so can't comment on the circumstances but I do know it has happened to someone who had received a FW and was then offered promotion later in the year. Again as I keep saying speak to your Chf Clk and Career Manager, they can answer your questions.
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Well OP, its now over 3 months since you originally posted and yet nothing has happened to this "person" who was one ahead of you.
As you said in your first post that this is your last chance and this other "person" was also on the verge of leaving, I'm kind of wondering why no offer has been forthcoming to him, or you after 3 months. Exactly how long have you both got left before this promotion can go to the person below you?
Care to update on why thats the case....
As you said in your first post that this is your last chance and this other "person" was also on the verge of leaving, I'm kind of wondering why no offer has been forthcoming to him, or you after 3 months. Exactly how long have you both got left before this promotion can go to the person below you?
Care to update on why thats the case....
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P4uldustmonkey
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So i got formally warned after failing my fitness test. Ive just lost my pending DWR to the falklands as a A/cpl. (Feels like ive been punished Twice) Had my integrity questioned after i placed a Sick chit on my SGT's desk. (Genuine reason and was covering my back ) then was said it would be her and the WO who would decide on my Acting role in the falklands.So to me it feels like ive been punished twice for the same offence. (Yes i cannot blame anyone but myself as i failed)
Im feelin your pain Bud....Got compulsory Redundancy and still got the PED Flight chasin me..........What a clown show!!!!
Yep, when I was leaving on my 15 year point with a job to go to, a Cpl mirror-tech told me he wouldn't sign my chit as I was two weeks out of date on the AFT. I told him to kiss my hairy swingers and get me a grownup who could think for himself - the SCNO signed it no problems.Now the reply to your PEd flight is just so easy! Get bent!DT_Xtremez_19: