PVR Craze!!

[Highflyer]

Can anyone shed any light on how many have PVR's recently and if they have actually found gainful employment and the reasons for leaving?

Just curious as i am contemplating it myself and wanted to know others justifications/rants/rumours?

 

[gray]

We had so many at our station, they made us stay in to do the full 6 months (at the time). My last day was in Oct.
2 applications, 2 interviews and one job offer out of it. Started working in my resettlement period. It's 12 months now, but I think we'll still be employable then !
Reason for leaving - had enough of being treated as a number, and not a person, changes for the worse, no promotion, and able to claim pension immediately helped !.

 

[unruly1986]

Hard to know the exact numbers but it seems that everybody knows more than one person who has PVRd. Especially oop North.

is it a craze/crisis?

 

[El_Boomo]

Hard to know the exact numbers but it seems that everybody knows more than one person who has PVRd. Especially oop North.

is it a craze/crisis?

Apparently not. According to those up high there is no retention problem or mass exodus. But we'd better raise the PVR times anyway

 

[unruly1986]

Apparently not. According to those up high there is no retention problem or mass exodus. But we'd better raise the PVR times anyway

Haha yes all is well, obviously.

 

[Xchen]

Can anyone shed any light on how many have PVR's recently and if they have actually found gainful employment and the reasons for leaving?

Just curious as i am contemplating it myself and wanted to know others justifications/rants/rumours?

Handed mine in. Money on the outside is too tempting. Job daaan saaaath.

 

[Highflyer]

I am struggling to find motivation nowadays i do agree with the no promotion part. When people are getting promoted there aren't any benifits anymore especially with the differences in wages.

I feel like i'm better off working torwards being a civie than wasting time like most of the people and living for an SJAR!

 

[MJW2K11]

I am struggling to find motivation nowadays i do agree with the no promotion part. When people are getting promoted there aren't any benifits anymore especially with the differences in wages.

I feel like i'm better off working torwards being a civie than wasting time like most of the people and living for an SJAR!

Same, Seriously fed up these days, 9 years in, not enjoying it anymore. PVR is the way forward.

 

[vim_fuego]

Same, Seriously fed up these days, 9 years in, not enjoying it anymore. PVR is the way forward.

No knee jerk reactions though...everyone gets fed up at some point but that's your signal to start using the mob like a free college/training center. Set a target of maybe a couple of years, decide what it is you'd line to do on the outside then start to leverage all the free training you can...I did and it's amazing how much you cheer up and also how fast though years fly by and when you land your dream role generally on better terms and conditions you get the chuffed factor as well.

 

[MJW2K11]

been asking for a posting for 18 months now, they keep saying no, really need a new posting, fed up of useless seniors who havnt got a clue how to run a section let alone write SJARs

 

[applecruncher]

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No idea what trade you are, but once you make Senior, and expect responsibility and respect, things will dawn on you. Until then enjoy it as it is fun.

 

[FOGHORN LEGHORN]

No idea what trade you are, but once you make Senior, and expect responsibility and respect, things will dawn on you. Until then enjoy it as it is fun.

Agreed. It can make you very disillusioned. One of the reasons I went for my spine removal was because I actually thought I could do a better job than some of the cretins I'd experienced before. It is only now I see how little control the seniors actually have. We are so reactive to external pressures that it's a constant case of fire fighting, crisis management and re-inventing the wheel. All of which results in the people that matter being let down.

Vim's advice is spot on. Once you become fed up and looking over the fence make a plan. Education, qualifications and post RAF career preparation. Use all that is at your disposal as there is plenty. My degree only cost me £250 through the RAF and last time I checked the BSc (Hons) after my name I never thought I'd have is spelt exactly the same as the next persons.


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[E E E E E E E E AR]

Wonder what the next round of redundancies will do to help alleviate this problem?

been asking for a posting for 18 months now, they keep saying no, really need a new posting, fed up of useless seniors who havnt got a clue how to run a section let alone write SJARs

Jesus! Who have you been asking for 18 months, your Scribblies? If so, you want to start escalating it ... if not, why not? I'm guessing if you've been asking for that length of time you've been in post long enough to be eligible to go?

 

[Odie]

been asking for a posting for 18 months now, they keep saying no, really need a new posting, fed up of useless seniors who havnt got a clue how to run a section let alone write SJARs

You might find that all you do is trade in one bunch of useless cretins for another bunch just as useless. The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just different grass.

 

[Stevienics]

Anyone who was around in the 90's will understand the inevitability of refused requests, for when one agrees to a move, it is followed by months of gapping before another sucker can be manhandled into taking the unpopular post, there relinquished.

 

[El_Boomo]

Anyone who was around in the 90's will understand the inevitability of refused requests, for when one agrees to a move, it is followed by months of gapping before another sucker can be manhandled into taking the unpopular post, there relinquished.

The biggest problem at SAC level is there aren't enough trainees coming through to stick in those posts noone else wants. Even then, those that are coming through seem to be getting some fairly choice posts that some of us are desperately asking for.

 

[Stevienics]

Maybe we ought to work on why the posts are unpopular in the first place, and mitigate the pain instead of forcing people.

"man up" just doesn't cut it any more.

 

[Highflyer]

Maybe we ought to work on why the posts are unpopular in the first place, and mitigate the pain instead of forcing people.

"man up" just doesn't cut it any more.

I agree i don't think the RAF can have a "man up" attitiude anymore because people do not have to they can just leave ang get a higher paid job with better perks. This is happening alot by the looks of it with SAC to drop to 75% by april next year!

 

[busby1971]

Maybe we ought to work on why the posts are unpopular in the first place, and mitigate the pain instead of forcing people.

"man up" just doesn't cut it any more.

I always found that, whilst location could be a minor issue, it was always poor management behaviour that put a downer on a job for me.

Just one example, when out in Kosovo the first OC understood the situation and let people get the job done in there own way, new OC just didn't and interfered everywhere, same outputs work wise but the first guy had a happy work force, the second had a very disgruntled one.

Most people in the RAF have a great work ethic and a sense of community, unfortunately it only takes one individual in a position of power to ruin it for all.

 

[E E E E E E E E AR]

I always found that, whilst location could be a minor issue, it was always poor management behaviour that put a downer on a job for me.
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Most people in the RAF have a great work ethic and a sense of community, unfortunately it only takes one individual in a position of power to ruin it for all.

100% this. I've had sh1tty jobs, in sh1tty locations and a good team, with good management makes all the difference. A decent SNCO/JO can pull people together into a team even at the worse of times. When poor ones can't/won't rot sets in and generally everyone becomes disgruntled.