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E E E E E E E E AR
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Rumour mill suggests 20-odd people PVRd on one day at the Mighty Ninety a couple of weeks back. Happy New Year! 
DT_Xtremez_17:
DT_Xtremez_17:unruly1986
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Rumour mill suggests 20-odd people PVRd on one day at the Mighty Ninety a couple of weeks back. Happy New Year!
I have to remind myself to stay off JPA on Mondays. Especially after any period of leave!
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Rumour mill suggests 20-odd people PVRd on one day at the Mighty Ninety a couple of weeks back. Happy New Year!
Anyone corroborate this? You'd expect to see some pretty urgent action on t'managements behalf if this was the case right?
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Is that you're attempt at Comedy Vim???
DT_Xtremez_31:"You don't like it leave there are plenty more...wait..what trade were they?? 4 you say...WAIT COME BACK. FANCY A RESERVIST SLOT???"
DT_Xtremez_19:hugo_a_go_go
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Rumour mill suggests 20-odd people PVRd on one day at the Mighty Ninety a couple of weeks back. Happy New Year!
Would it really be surprising though? people who are coming up to their FAD's now, and because of the blanket extended (5 year) tours, have nowhere available in any of their preferred areas of choice. There's hardly anything according to the positions register because of this.
Posts that would have been available now have two more years, heaven for the Lincolnshire squatters but "up yours" for everyone else.
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I was surprised at reading that on the other thread and that it was happening already!
Pair this with having to do 30 years for a half-decent pension, possibly as an SAC for all those years. Possibility of shít pay, expensive housing, reduced allowances, expected to do more with less ... I can see why so many are binning out.
The people stopping around will be the pension-trapped or the hardcore cut-me-and-I'm-the-roundel-through!
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Maybe they just want a fast turnaround of personnel so they don't have to pay pensions and IPs
applecruncher
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Nail on the head, reheat
Nail on the head, reheat
NEM makes no secret of a desire to turn people over every 12 years. It's genius, but the chumps implementing it have shot their bolt at least 2 years too early; the training machine isn't ready. Imagine employing someone for 12 years, giving them a degree course and that's the last you hear of them, with just a few going on to pensionable engagements. In 20 years time the pensions bill will start to exponentially reduce.
They've just got their timing wrong.
Nail on the head, reheat
NEM makes no secret of a desire to turn people over every 12 years. It's genius, but the chumps implementing it have shot their bolt at least 2 years too early; the training machine isn't ready. Imagine employing someone for 12 years, giving them a degree course and that's the last you hear of them, with just a few going on to pensionable engagements. In 20 years time the pensions bill will start to exponentially reduce.
They've just got their timing wrong.
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The snag with that is, how do you retain someone for those 12 years? If they know they're getting binned after that time, without a decent pension trap and you're going to train and degree them up, why bother staying that long?
Also, how do you keep up recruitment within those terms? If the MoD is no longer a stable career and a good pension, because of the work you could possible do, why not look elsewhere. The 24hr news and Iraq/Afghan/Iraq have made a life in Defence a lot less palatable.
harry the df
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it appears the way to raise morale and stop PVRs is to raise the notice time to 12 months from 6. i am pretty sure that will have people thinking "wow the RAF really does value me after all, i think i am going to stop moaning about how cr*p it is and the fact I have missed out on the job i was hoping to go to as they wont wait the extra 6 months".
I say well done to the manning for this inspired decision!!!
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Jobs are more and more readily available outside, which leads not to a drop in demand (as per the norm in the market) but an increase of those willing to make the jump. 12 months is a VERY blunt instrument, but there is no more money left.
Dan_Brown
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Mandatory PT on 5 Jan 15, first day back in work. One of the lads from my office was on the treadmill next to me, about 10 minutes in, he says out loud "what the **** am i doing?"
Jumps off treadmill, back to office, does the clicks to freedom and then sits back with a big grin on his face.
I've no great hatred of the RAF, in fact I'm probably in the cushiest job going in a fixed length, screened tour with regular access to the above-mentioned High Wycombe Costa. But I joined up with an open mind and no long-term plan. I've since found something I want to do on the outside, and absolutely nothing I want to do in the RAF; nor do I see an RAF I want to be a part of. I'm in no doubt of the high heidyins belief in the RAF and their desire to do the best possible with it, because I work where I do and see their efforts. I've no faith in defence or government as a whole, however, and think we face a less than rosy future as individuals. I'd rather take my chances. I'll take the benefits of this fixed, screened tour to finish the house deposit; then, I'll go.
That and I miss overtime!DT_Xtremez_28:
That and I miss overtime!
DT_Xtremez_28:GrumpyTech
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I know a few on the wing that have pvr'd but have rescinded when questioned why? What do you want? Believe it or not, some want to stay on tcw, the choice if posting or out. They take out, sort out Job on 90 and they want to stay in... 1 bloke got new management n took his out . He said the new folk seem to care n are looking after us!!
Not always BUT sometimes the (sac's mainly) would benifit from some help not **** jobs . Obv's wouldn't pull a lot of folk back, but LMs need to try....
Not always BUT sometimes the (sac's mainly) would benifit from some help not **** jobs . Obv's wouldn't pull a lot of folk back, but LMs need to try....
Dan_Brown
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............what?
Oh good it's not just me then. I know I'm old but.......................................
applecruncher
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Mate, I don't think the hierarchy have thought it through, and yes the brighter guys are going to question it. Where the hierarchy win is that it takes a few years for the guys to realise they are being ragged. The guys are enjoying themselves, a good crowd and social scene etc etc.....but then as they approach the end ( say last 4 years) the guys take the courses as they become disenchanted etc.
I can't talk for all trades, but the NCA on helicopters are pretty much at this stage already, exciting jobe go places and live an exciting lifestyle, but not long after they've started and see no end to the army bollox they too are starting to look at the outside and qual themselves up for the 12 year exit.
NEM is genious, it saves money, rags people at their prime and sets them up for £27,000 of a degree at the end, but in 20 years time, as all the actuaries will be back me up on, it costs them nothing at all. The exponential decrease in military pension is the goal. They have just been caught out by a buoyant jobs market and the abrupt stop of a war that used to pay a nice wad to the guys that went.
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Mate, I don't think the hierarchy have thought it through, and yes the brighter guys are going to question it. Where the hierarchy win is that it takes a few years for the guys to realise they are being ragged. The guys are enjoying themselves, a good crowd and social scene etc etc.....but then as they approach the end ( say last 4 years) the guys take the courses as they become disenchanted etc.
I can't talk for all trades, but the NCA on helicopters are pretty much at this stage already, exciting jobe go places and live an exciting lifestyle, but not long after they've started and see no end to the army bollox they too are starting to look at the outside and qual themselves up for the 12 year exit.
NEM is genious, it saves money, rags people at their prime and sets them up for £27,000 of a degree at the end, but in 20 years time, as all the actuaries will be back me up on, it costs them nothing at all. The exponential decrease in military pension is the goal. They have just been caught out by a buoyant jobs market and the abrupt stop of a war that used to pay a nice wad to the guys that went.