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re-set of leave 2012

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when the leave is re-set in 2012 etc does that mean everyone gets 38 or whatever it is that year but is still 'entitled' to have 15 carried forward ie they just get rid of all the stockpiles of leave that people have and it all starts again...?

and more importantly what about if you have more than that due to time away and other service reasons can you still apply via gen app?

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It means that no-one can carry any leave forward at all, for any reason, and that includes the 15 days. Everyone will be reset at 38 days as at 1 Apr 12.
 
Hasn't 'the big leave reset been happening for the last couple of years? (certainly it was supposed to happen this year)

Whilst I do (kinda) see the point if it, there are genuine Service reasons why people haven't taken their full leave entitlement and end up either taking March off, or lose out on their leave entitlement.
 
I am led to believe that, given the current op tempo, this ruling may change. IMHO its simply ridiculous to expect personnel to be out of office for weeks/months to undertake PDT, follow that with a 6 month tour then reward them by penalising for inability to take leave.
 
If I were still in then this year I would be putting leave passes in that I know would not get approved then at the end of the year you've got a more solid case for carrying forward leave.

The rules say you can carry forward leave, and someone has missinterpreted the rules, probably worth a redress if you lose any leave and then an ET to get it sorted.
 
My understanding of this is that there will be no leave carry-over at the end of this leave year, i.e. 31 Mar 12, and then again 15, 18, etc.

Rant mode on.

Can anyone tell me what idiot thought this was a good idea and what problem it was supposed to address? The only suggestion was that there were cases where people had way to much leave in any one year due to OOA's, postings etc, and this was supposed to wipe the slate clean and stop people from taking excessive leave.

Resetting the leave every three years won't stop this though. Most people I know carry over some leave from year to year, but in any one year they use all 30 days or whatever it is. When you carry over leave it's just a new datum.

I carried over 14 days for year’s right from when I joined at Swinderby, then 15 days when the leave changed. In any one year I would use the 15 carried over first, then 15 from the New Year, leaving 15 to carry over in to the next year. So I never took any more leave than anyone else, and the same could be said for anyone OOA, unless they blitz their 15 days but then they can only do it once.

What's pi55ed me off is that I planned to keep carrying over 15 days until it was time to leave, that way I had an extra 15 days when I really need it. As it stands now I've got use my 30, plus the 15 I've carried over this year, so the RAF has forced me to take extra time off in the middle of my career when it needs me most rather than at the end when I'm not really needed quite as much. This is just another stupid policy that makes this Air Force a place in history in my life. There was no problem in the first place!

Rant mode off.
 
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What about people who are leaving the service half way through the current year?. If they are due to leave in September/October/November etc they do not get a full years entitlement, so they would want to carry over some leave from the previous year to top this up.
 
The new regulations regarding leave were designed to be for our benefit to ensure management would give personnel leave to give the right work/life balance as the result of some new European legislation.

I expect stations to be almost deserted in March of next year as personnel are forced to use up our leave and then from April to the end of the year stations will be full to the brim whilst personnel accumulate another 15 days to carry forward to the following year.
 
IMO it's all a storm in a teacup, what's the problem with carrying forward leave that you are entitled to? As ASDA say, when it's gone it's gone. As long as you keep to a minimum manning policy (with some flex as decided by the line management), there shouldn't be a problem. Yes there will be anomalies and the above wouldn't suit every single organisation (term used loosely) but that's where man management comes in rather than referring strictly to the rules (wrt the minimum manning which are only for guidance!). It ain't impossible (as opposed to difficult).
 
I did think it was silly when I first saw it a couple of years back, also the part on losing all your carried over leave on posting. What complete idiot thought that one up. Someone is about to loose an experianced member of staff, which is compounded because he now drops an extra 3 weeks leave in before he goes as he doesn't want to loose it.
 
ScoobTech said:
I did think it was silly when I first saw it a couple of years back, also the part on losing all your carried over leave on posting. What complete idiot thought that one up. Someone is about to loose an experianced member of staff, which is compounded because he now drops an extra 3 weeks leave in before he goes as he doesn't want to loose it.
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Completely Off Topicbut it's lose, not loose!
 
Where is the proof?

Where is the proof?

So we are about to lose a potential mass amount of leave, where is this published? Which JSP, DIN etc.. as I can't find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction
 
bubblebutt said:
So we are about to lose a potential mass amount of leave, where is this published? Which JSP, DIN etc.. as I can't find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction
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There was a DIN or Spec Spt Letter that was published a few years ago however JSP 760 para 1.011 basically says the same thing; unused leave is forefeited on posting or at the 3 year point which will next be 1 Apr 2012.
 
There was a DIN or Spec Spt Letter that was published a few years ago however JSP 760 para 1.011 basically says the same thing; unused leave is forefeited on posting or at the 3 year point which will next be 1 Apr 2012.
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RAF Internal Briefing Note 04/09 dated 23 Feb 09 - available on work intraweb thingy.


IIRC the intent was for an individual's leave to be managed (by the chain of command) so that they take their full entitlement each year.
 
On the plus side - we get an extra two days leave next year (2012/13) - one for the Jubilee and one for the additional Good Friday (early Easter in 2013 means that Good Friday falls on 29 Mar) - unfortunately means that 2013/14 will have 37 days leave.
 
You can still apply to your CO to carry forward leave in exceptional circumstances.....so I expect a few will try this....if you do just make sure you put leave in and have it turned down for service reasons......it will also help if you have an OOA (or other lengthy det/temp duty) in the leave year period...otherwise I doubt you will even get a sniff!!
 
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