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squipper01
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They never should have changed the leave system from what it used to be eg. your leave year started from the date you joined up and got renewed on that date each year.
There was far less chance of everone rushing to get there leave in.
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There was far less chance of everone rushing to get there leave in.
DT_Xtremez_35:DT_Xtremez_35:DT_Xtremez_35:DT_Xtremez_35:They never should have changed the leave system from what it used to be eg. your leave year started from the date you joined up and got renewed on that date each year.
There was far less chance of everone rushing to get there leave in.
Come, come on, our lords and masters know better!
DT_Xtremez_34:They never should have changed the leave system from what it used to be eg. your leave year started from the date you joined up and got renewed on that date each year.
There was far less chance of everone rushing to get there leave in.
It's easier for the stat compilers.
You should know the RAF is now run by statties who have nothing better to do!
Just applied to carry forward a bucket load (yet again), this takes me to a level of approx 70 days. This is all due to work/OOA's etc. I have started putting leave in, authorising it myself, then cancelling it myself for service reasons so that a trail is made. There is no way I will get all this in as I am off on travels again in 5 months for a 6 month gig. I do take leave when I possibly can, and conscious of our staffing level. Perhaps I should not be as conscious or professional if they are going to rob me of all this leave. Is there a legal recourse should they wipe out what I believe to be an entitlement?
IMO, you're set to lose loads of that leave. By your own admission you're unlikely ever to get this leave in. Also, cancelling your own leave to provide a trail? Doubt whether that will wash. Furthermore, if the staffing at your workplace is such that you feel you can't take leave, you are hiding the problem.
Hiding a problem or attempting to provide a service we are often ridiculed for? Can't win really. The problem is an overall organisational one that is, I believe pretty much RAF wide. Creating the audit trail is something we must do barking I know, as a self authoriser I take leave when I can fit it in not when I can't however, I have to go through the process otherwise there is no evidence I couldn't take leave. Perhaps I won't get this leave in, atleast I should have the opportunity, perhaps during a "quiet" year I may just get it or when my time comes it is applied as I retire. It is not poor (section) man management that precludes me from taking my allocated leave, it is the wider issue of staffing, OOA's etc. Grateful for your thoughts.
Totally agree, it is a Service wide problem. We all try to do our best to keep the section functioning but you get no medals or even thanks for being indispensable (intentionally or not).
I think the times of a quiet year are over. Having the amount of untaken leave that you have is indicative of a sizeable problem, are you the only one within your section with this problem? I ask because sometimes a line in the sand has to be drawn and everyone needs that battery charging leave.
When you say cancelling it yourself is that you submitting the paperwork or are you cancelling it on JPA?
As for redress. The MOD has stayed that you have a right to take the amount of leave prescribed for by the Working Time Directive. Your chain of command should be ensuring that you take this at a minimum; they should be ensuring that you get your full leave allowance. Periods spent on ops or in direct support of ops are exempt (noting that BFSAI are not, AFAIK, an op - the big clue being that Op CORPORATE finished nearly 24 years ago). So discounting any periods on ops or in direct support of ops, if you fail to be permitted to take the minimum amount of leave mandated by the MOD under the Working Time Directive (detailed in the IBN quoted above) you should submit a Service Complaint.
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Why not bang a leave application in for the whole 70 days and let people further up the line say ye or nay.
If yes, enjoy 14 weeks off work in one go.
If no, tell them to manage your leave but also tell them that you do not expect to have any leave written off.
Here in civvie strasse we use the saying 'Everyone has a boss' and we just take things higher until we get a satisfactory (for both sides) result.
It is a very stupid or incompetent person that doesn't try to get things sorted as low down the food chain as possible.
If yes, enjoy 14 weeks off work in one go.
If no, tell them to manage your leave but also tell them that you do not expect to have any leave written off.
Here in civvie strasse we use the saying 'Everyone has a boss' and we just take things higher until we get a satisfactory (for both sides) result.
It is a very stupid or incompetent person that doesn't try to get things sorted as low down the food chain as possible.
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Is it not 28 days, the amount of leave everyone should be allowed to take?
Deffo Service Complaint...but surely you can't just cancel it yourself? Rather complete the form for audit?
Deffo Service Complaint...but surely you can't just cancel it yourself? Rather complete the form for audit?
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FogDucking Fairy
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This seems like a very harsh ruling.
I usually use my whole leave allowance, however, last year I was off sick for about 8 months after multiple operations, when I got back to work at the end of october I still had 38 days to use, I have taken as much as possible without taking a solid 2 months off, and that has ended up with me carrying over 21 days, I now have 59 days to use before the end of this leave year.
Its a little ridiculous!
I usually use my whole leave allowance, however, last year I was off sick for about 8 months after multiple operations, when I got back to work at the end of october I still had 38 days to use, I have taken as much as possible without taking a solid 2 months off, and that has ended up with me carrying over 21 days, I now have 59 days to use before the end of this leave year.
Its a little ridiculous!
Soon To Leave
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You could say if you struggled to take your leave last year you'll struggle to use it next year. Why don't they just pay us for unused leave?
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I've always liked that idea, but then it all falls down to us pandering to those twerps in the EU.
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As a self authoriser, I've never had problem taking leave when I've wanted. If something work-wise has turned up that conflicts, the emphasise has been on them to convince me to alter my plans. Don't give in too easily.
Having been posted from an Auggie Sqn to another station, I lost all the Authorised Absence I had accumulated from working weekends - bit of a pi$$er but not the end of the world - what did pi$$ me off was the leave I had cancelled that was credited back to me as AA - that I then I lost on posting. A tad harsh! Bah!
Low and behold they have only authorised 10 days carry forward over and above the 15 as I have been told this is policy. They have no discretion in this (apparently). Can the admin bods confirm this? Carried forward more than this a couple of years ago, is this a new policy? I reiterated I couldn't take it due to service reasons..tough. I told them that we would have the same problem again next year as they have decided to send me OOA again for a 6 monther, 5 1/2 months after my last one. Apart from the SC route surely there is a common sense approach to situations like this....or perhaps not. I have tried to remain professional throughout my career and had my fair share of shaftings however, I think they are taking the p*ss more than ever. It has been mentioned on other posts about allegiance, I can see Vims point when they start doing this.
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Try the "Paper Leave Pass that sits in your Line Manager's Tray but never ends up with Admin" for the additional days.
Or...
Take all your leave this year and refuse to be called back in. If your section is undermanned, then its not your fault if someone keeps sending you away for 6 months each year.
In fact, if you are away from your normal place of duty for 6+ months in a year, someoone else is probably doing your job on an almost full-time basis already.
Or...
Take all your leave this year and refuse to be called back in. If your section is undermanned, then its not your fault if someone keeps sending you away for 6 months each year.
In fact, if you are away from your normal place of duty for 6+ months in a year, someoone else is probably doing your job on an almost full-time basis already.
