SDSR15 - thoughts? crystal ball time?

[Keyser Söze]

"Its written down in your career path if you can believe Manning use it! its all laid down in AP3376 Vol2 which states you should do 1 tour in 3 on the frontline, well worth a read to throw back at Manning when they try to stiff you for a ****e posting."

Realise its written down in some generic "one-size-fits-all" book gathering dust somewhere, which gets dragged out,, and quoted from,, when it suits. My question relates to provoking "independent thought", not following someone in manning. If I said it would be brilliant if everyone stuck their hand in the fire,,, would people do it?

Officers are roundly criticised (from many areas, even government) for not spending sufficient time in post , so Manning are now forcing this flawed culture onto the great-unwashed???

The AP3376 should reflect the amount of time it takes to become really good at learning/diagnosing/maintaining all the systems involved in aircraft engineering to keep them all fully airworthy. The most effective and proficient guys n gals on 1st Line have worked there a good while. (and in my experience) Those career chasers who flit between this and that and swallow the BS from Manning are far less effective particularly at 1st line. Also the training cost/disturbance should decrease. Same goes for other specialised jobs e.g. SW teams

caveat* there does need to be a balance struck somewhere to avoid exceeding harmony rules and treating guys fairly

 

[ady eflog]

I think your right to a certain extent, type gurus are always a font of knowledge but I have known individuals who have gone through from J/T to Sgt on the same Sqn. Others who have spent their whole career on crash and smash or from one SAC i had under me who had worked 7 years in the same Bay and never worked on an Aircraft! Manning really needs to get a grip and treat everyone equally, so when you get your promotion or 5 years are up its not a shock that all your offered is second line and vice versa.

 

[applecruncher]

The writing is clearly on the wall

The writing is clearly on the wall

NEM combined with FAFPS makes no secret at all that the pensions bill is unsustainable ( military pension). Hey, bring in a set of terms and conditions that blatantly don't enthral those still serving. Those people will leave, possibly with no pension, but definitely with a smaller pension, so the peaking of the pensions bill is nigh. After that, not as many get signed on and we get a younger cheaper work force etc etc. Directly from an SO1 'it could be that this is what they want, a good jobs market outside little incentive to stay with many on the top pay levels and minimal chance of promotion'. A pull-through on the cheap.
It's looking like the perfect storm. The bit they haven't thought through is that the dynamic thrusters, the ones you want to keep are the ones visiting JPA to do it. The plodders that will never make it are the ones sat fat dumb and happy, plodding. Oh, and the poor guys/ gals caught in the pension trap, for them the game is tough.
The RAF is not a loyal employer, don't forget that, or ever lose sight of it. It is a person two ranks above you, some are great, some most definitely are not. But the recent redundancies should tell the intelligent ones that there is no loyalty for good service, for risking lives and marriages.
Remember PIE? Removed to pay for Op Allowance, will you see that again once Op Allowance dies?
SDSR next year will not create money for projects and equipment, there will be no war. And we were briefed again this week it's only 3 months pay from last year, so hardly a mortgage killing amount.

 

[FootTapper]

Is that 3 months pay as a max only for those leaving on an IP/EDP - or does it also apply to those leaving with preserved pension?

I'd assume the eligibility for IP/EDP on redundancy would be the same next time round (18 years service?) So if that 3 month cap applied to those without IP/EDP that would be a spectacular cut in the redundancy benefit (I'd only done a bit over 15 years and mine was 23 months pay)

 

[Downsizer]

It applies to both.

 

[ady eflog]

But those who have qualified I.e. done their 22 will still get their big IP's under the preserved rights, it should only effect those who are not yet on pensionable engagements

 

[4everAD]

It wasn't the 3 months pay that really bothered me as I've done over my 22. It was the comment from the nem bod that the intention was to have more targeted cuts as needed, no big redundancy boards just a case of we've too many cpls in this trade and promotion is dead so let's get rid of 50 cpls who've done between 15-17 years, only cost would be 3 months pay to each of them. My other concern would be that we'd continue and "improve" the current system of ragging the crap out of our juniors for 7 years until they PVR, no pensions or redundancy payments needed that way. In the last month I know of 4 people who have left the service that fall into this bracket.

 

[applecruncher]

Agreed. But they have to pay them, but if they die chant them they pay only 22/37. Or 20/37 rather than a much bigger pension. For the model to work very few people will be signed onto the pensionable engagements. Get them in flog them for 12 years, offer them the chance for a degree (£30k?) and off they trot....no pension!
There are many of us 'legacy' folks that are going to miss out now, as the ratchet turns to make us go earlier than we wanted, and so the costs stop increasing.
It's a **** sandwich, but in actuarial terms it's a good move for the company, Aunty Betty.