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Stand-By Duties

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I was hoping someone could point me in the direction of where it is written about standby-duties and their governence.

Situation is......
I have one lad on standby duty over Xmas. Now, normally his standby period would be when he's at work and he is covering that week inc the weekend. However, this duty is over Xmas period. He has been told to put leave in and will only be credited it back if he is called in.

Now, my grievance on this is that he is at home but under restricted movement and has within a time period to report back to the camp. I see both sides, sort of. He's at home with family etc, but only if he lives within a certain time restraint of getting back. If not, he would have to get accom on camp. Other sections and Stations have people on standby who either do not have to put leave in for that period, or will be credited the full lot back after Xmas regardless of whether they are called in or not. There is no issue in doing the duty, just seems unfair to have a leave of absence in, but he is restricted in that absence. Surely then he is not actually absent from duty? Leave is quoted from JSP 760, an authorised period of absence of one or more days up to 38 days including Public Holidays (PH) plus any Annual Leave carried forward per leave year which runs from 1 April to 31 March for all Service personnel.
Why then does he have to put leave in when he is still on a restricted duty

This law should cover everyone regardless of where they live, work or length of Standby.

I'm not looking for a debate on whether or not he should or should not get his leave entitlement back, but where can I find the JSP, AP written "law" on this?? Anyone know.
 
Common sense management in my eyes. He has put his head above the parapet to cover and YES it's an easy duty only covering but somebody has to do it especially if he is restricted in his movements. Full leave entitlement after the duty in my eyes whether it's standby or not.
 
He is either on leave, stand-down, or on duty - those are the only categories a serviceman can be in.

I'm on Duty Clerk over Christmas, doing it from home with a mobile.. I will be on call 24/7 and will have to be sober at all times during my period. There is not an earthlies chance of me putting leave in when I am on duty.

No way can anyone who is on duty, regardless of what duty it is, be told to put leave in.
 
He is either on leave, stand-down, or on duty - those are the only categories a serviceman can be in.

I'm on Duty Clerk over Christmas, doing it from home with a mobile.. I will be on call 24/7 and will have to be sober at all times during my period. There is not an earthlies chance of me putting leave in when I am on duty.

No way can anyone who is on duty, regardless of what duty it is, be told to put leave in.

Cheers, do you know where I can gleam the official quote on what a Duty or Standby duty is??

I've said to his TM that if he has to put leave in, give him 7 days S/D at his convenience!!
Still not right though
 
Surely you can find him a hangar floor to sweep everyday or other such husbandry tasks therefore not wasting his standby duty time. In todays Air Force time is at a premium so you should not be wasting it...:PDT_Xtremez_14:

What's your management on Billy? As that's a rubbish call about putting leave in.
 
Surely you can find him a hangar floor to sweep everyday or other such husbandry tasks therefore not wasting his standby duty time. In todays Air Force time is at a premium so you should not be wasting it...:PDT_Xtremez_14:

What's your management on Billy? As that's a rubbish call about putting leave in.

I agree, It was our Sqn Admin with advice from Chf Clerk!! So much for supporting the section yer on!! Mgt is next POC.

Stby Guard duty so sweeping not an option!! LOL:PDT_Xtremez_34:
 
Mutty is right.

However, I am not sure there is such a statement within the 760 that you seek (it can't be that easy can it?) - the intro bits and pieces in the JSP 760 includes lines such as ....The management of leave is the responsibility of the Chain of Command.....et al

So, it is common sense - he is on standby DUTY therefore how can he be on leave?

M'lud
 
As it is Stby Guard, the Guard Orders might help out.

Most Guard Orders specifically prohibit you putting leave in while on standby.

Top call though, the bloke has to stay contactable and sober over Christmas as well as remaining within x time of camp, so put leave in and if you get called in we will cancel it.

My call would be to the Guard Commander, if it was me I would not be having one of my Guards dicked about like that.
 
I too have been in this situation before, standby guard over Christmas and I didn’t submit a leave pass, think of it as extra long leave if you don’t get called out.
You can’t put leave in, standby guard is a duty and therefore if you submit leave you are no longer on duty and so, can’t be on standby guard. Only an idiot would approve this leave request! If they made me put in leave to cover this duty I can guarantee that I would not be available as someone had approved my leave.
 
Problem with him putting leave in is that our admin (gawd bless 'em) have said if those on Sqn haven't put leave in on JPA to cover the Xmas grant, they will do it for them. So if he only puts leave in for the dates either side of his standby duty, they'll fill the gaps!! The "acting" admin Snec is a *** tho!! Refuses to think logically and screws those he works with!
The Chf Clerk also backed him up, but added he could have a drink as long as he wasn't pi$$ed and gets in within the "x" timeline under the limit!!
un-f**kin-believable!!!!! I'd like to see that in writing!!

I'm about to speak to our Sqn senior mgt about it.
 
I think that if you go to the guard orders that your lad/lass has signed for reading, it quite clearly states that leave is not allowed to be taken for the entire time that he/she is on guard, that includes the standby cover. Tell your sqn admin to get thumbs from up their a**e and get it sorted. :mad:
 
Problem with him putting leave in is that our admin (gawd bless 'em) have said if those on Sqn haven't put leave in on JPA to cover the Xmas grant, they will do it for them. So if he only puts leave in for the dates either side of his standby duty, they'll fill the gaps!! The "acting" admin Snec is a *** tho!! Refuses to think logically and screws those he works with!
The Chf Clerk also backed him up, but added he could have a drink as long as he wasn't pi$$ed and gets in within the "x" timeline under the limit!!
un-f**kin-believable!!!!! I'd like to see that in writing!!

I'm about to speak to our Sqn senior mgt about it.

Good Luck....and we (TG17) wonder why we have/get a bad name....!

I would send his leave pass(es) in with a covering note from his Flt Cdr....'as XXX is on duty over the period xx to xx...please find attached leave passes to cover either side of this duty*' etc..

* and IAW Guard Orders (if applicable)
 
Chief Clerk

Chief Clerk

Sounds like another "Chief Clerk" ( the most ridiculous title in the RAF) who has come from a long line of Embassy and Innsworth jobs. The damage an individual like this can cause is immense, stick to your guns, he is either on duty or not, no middle ground here. As for the comment that a standy guard can "have a drink" is simply astonishing. Perhaps said Chief Clerk would put that in a memo, or perhaps not.
 
FFS Billy grow some you outrank the scribbly to55er just MAA him if he puts leave in for your lad against your express instructions. Obviously the resultant posting to Benson/Odiham resulting from pi55ing the Chief Clerk off may be a little galling but hey you'll have your pride and integrity still.
 
Leave - Sat at home/in pub/on holiday mainly off my face.

Standby - Sat at home not drinking.

Stick your leave pass up your shiny arse!

:PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
FFS I can't believe this thread is occurring...

I have never heard of this happening in all my 23.5 years of service and I'm fecking sure it isn't right...

Why are you having to defend his position?...Go to the person who wants him to put a leave pass in whilst he is on [standby] DUTY and ask them to defend their position by supplying the relevent document that states this is required...and when he can't make sure you email his superior with what he tried to 'pull off' and ask for an acknowledge of him reading it and the extra work it has caused you by even thinking about it...
 
Problem with him putting leave in is that our admin (gawd bless 'em) have said if those on Sqn haven't put leave in on JPA to cover the Xmas grant, they will do it for them. So if he only puts leave in for the dates either side of his standby duty, they'll fill the gaps!! The "acting" admin Snec is a *** tho!! Refuses to think logically and screws those he works with!
The Chf Clerk also backed him up, but added he could have a drink as long as he wasn't pi$$ed and gets in within the "x" timeline under the limit!!
un-f**kin-believable!!!!! I'd like to see that in writing!!

I'm about to speak to our Sqn senior mgt about it.

Get, the nominated guy taken off guard (twisted sock or something) and have the feckin Sqn Clerk put on guard.

He obviously won't mind as he'll be sticking a feckin leave pass in for himself for the standby period over Xmas:PDT_Xtremez_25:

If my Sqn Adjt even remotely thought of this insane morale booster , he'd be on Xmas guard faster than you could say "TG17 higher pay band cnuts":PDT_Xtremez_06:
 
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