Stand-By Duties

[Sniffer]

Isn't there also an issue of liability insurance when personnel have put leave in?

By that I mean, if he sticks a leave pass in, but then gets called up on guard duty, (stay with me here I'm going for maximum exageration) and he then happens to slot some terrorist trying to gain access whilst carrying a backpack full of explosives. Where would he stand from a legal point of view if he was technically "on leave". OK daft example, granted, but you get my drift.

Honestly, this is why I depair sometimes at SOME adminers. Christmas has been an annual occurance since well before 1918 therefore this cannot be the only time ever an adminer has ever dealt with someone on duty over the Xmas/Easter periods.

 

[gemarriott]

And the cnut that dreamt this up is on the higher pay band.DT_Xtremez_42:

Worth every penny of it the dormant fcuker!

 

[shimmeringbottom]

And the cnut that dreamt this up is on the higher pay band.DT_Xtremez_42:

Worth every penny of it the dormant fcuker!

As I said earlier, no wonder we (TG17) have a bad name.

Name and shame the Unit and I will speak to the c0ck.

It's not rocket science, he is on DUTY FFS so he can't be on leave.

Of course anyone would sooner be on standby than guard itself but that's the way the cookie crumbles he is still on call and restricted somewhat.

As I said, just send the passes with a covering letter, my guess would be they won't even bother challenging it because deep down they must know they are WRONG.

TO$$ERS

 

[fatboy11]

have been told to do the same by...my line manager!!!!!DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[hatethebay]

Tell your Line manager to get his head out of his A**e, if you are on duty you cant be on leave, as that stupid meerkat says,"SIMPLES". Please tell me your not a techie!

 

[fatboy11]

Tell your Line manager to get his head out of his A**e, if you are on duty you cant be on leave, as that stupid meerkat says,"SIMPLES". Please tell me your not a techie!

sure am! just need the official line then will do just that!!!

 

[busby1971]

****e Clk

****e Clk

It's not just Innsworth and Embassy Whallas, there's also the VIP guys within our trade who don't have a scooby how to deal with real life and real people.

Being recalled from leave is a fact of life for service people, however, this is only when operationally required, as this geezer is on standby guard he is on standby guard and therefore on duty, albeit standby duty, and therefore does not have free and unrestricted movement.

Leave pass, fukc it.

 

[shimmeringbottom]

Trouble is people want to see it in black and white in the JSP; it isn't.

That's because the clue is there for all to see Standby DUTY

So he is not on leave he is on DUTY....arrgghhhh it irritates the hell out of me these sort or narrow minded people.

 

[hatethebay]

I despair, I really do! what is the RAF coming to? Some people really need to get a grip. I am in the unfortunate situation of having to work with the navy, now they have no common sence, what we do in the RAF they do the opposite just to be awkward( bear with me). In my section we have had this agruement with our navy management many times and it came to a head when a CPL was told(ordered) to put leave in on a bank holiday when he was duty fitter, and as he was on leave he got ****ed, which he is allowed to do,as he had a LEAVE PASS IN, the duty mobile rang and he couldnt do anything about it as he was drunk because he was on LEAVE! next day he was threatened with being charged for being drunk on duty except he wasn't on duty as he was on leave! Now when anyone in our section is on duty for any reason, even if it is a standby duty then they dont have to put a leave pass in as THEY ARE ON DUTY. Please Please RAF get a f*****g grip, is it any wonder sensible people are leaving in their droves, stupid decisions like this really p1ss everyone off. there, I have now come down from my soap box,

 

[hatethebay]

P.S. I feel sorry for the good adminers, who unfortunately are tarred with the same brush as the to55ers, and I know there are lots of good ones out there.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Problem with him putting leave in is that our admin (gawd bless 'em) have said if those on Sqn haven't put leave in on JPA to cover the Xmas grant, they will do it for them. So if he only puts leave in for the dates either side of his standby duty, they'll fill the gaps!! The "acting" admin Snec is a *** tho!! Refuses to think logically and screws those he works with!
The Chf Clerk also backed him up, but added he could have a drink as long as he wasn't pi$$ed and gets in within the "x" timeline under the limit!!
un-f**kin-believable!!!!! I'd like to see that in writing!!

I'm about to speak to our Sqn senior mgt about it.

I can see where they are coming from re putting leave in en masse as many (mainly comissioned types) conveniently forget to put it in. I do a similar scheme on my Sqn, however before pressing the "submit" button, I liaise closely with my 2 FS IC Shifts who tell me exactly who will be on duty over a public holiday so we dont end up screwing anyone over.

If this throbber was introduced to the word "co-operation" with his fellow line managers, his life would be a whole lot easier!

Sometimes, we as a trade group really dont help ourselves....this attitude makes us take 2 steps back!

Shimmeringbottom, if you want to round up a "correction posse" count me in!!!

 

[Mr_Mover]

Isn't there also an issue of liability insurance when personnel have put leave in?

I was just thinking the same thing but from a sports point of view. My previous shift at Brize decided that if you were playing sport for the Service, whether that be a match, competition or training, you had to submit a leave pass. From an insurance aspect, you snap your knee on the pitch, you'll rapidly find that you're not covered because you're not supposed to be on duty - sport still being classed as duty! A lot of people were aware of this but were prepared to take the risk. I, on the other hand, decided that I'd rather decline the chance to represent our Service at any sport rather than risk smashing my knees to bits with no chance of a future comp claim and a potential bollocking from my OC!

 

[NotAnIDOYet]

We had a similar situation at a secret northern base last Christmas when some throbber (straight bar rank) thought we should put leave in to cover our shift standown days over the grant.

Being the fine, upstanding SNCO I am, ever mindful of the need to develop and guide the young orifices I decided to tell him to ram his manning up his hoop before making a beeline for the Sqn Cdr's office. Strangely enough he saw things my way...

I would go for the leave pass then get so drunk that I forgot I was on duty! Directorate of Legal would have a field day trying to get that charge to stick!

Sorry TG17 but this would not seem to be an isolated incident of incompetence amongst your bretheren. I am sure that many of you are keen and conciencious tradesmen but there are still a lot of fcuknuckles out there trying to make it hard for the rest of us!

 

[raflad67]

We had a similar situation at a secret northern base last Christmas when some throbber (straight bar rank) thought we should put leave in to cover our shift standown days over the grant.

Being the fine, upstanding SNCO I am, ever mindful of the need to develop and guide the young orifices I decided to tell him to ram his manning up his hoop before making a beeline for the Sqn Cdr's office. Strangely enough he saw things my way...

I would go for the leave pass then get so drunk that I forgot I was on duty! Directorate of Legal would have a field day trying to get that charge to stick!

Sorry TG17 but this would not seem to be an isolated incident of incompetence amongst your bretheren. I am sure that many of you are keen and conciencious tradesmen but there are still a lot of fcuknuckles out there trying to make it hard for the rest of us!

......and in many other trades too....

 

[gemarriott]

P.S. I feel sorry for the good adminers, who unfortunately are tarred with the same brush as the to55ers, and I know there are lots of good ones out there.

a chain is as strong as it's weakest link though!

 

[Monkey Bumhead]

He is on duty, so it should be standown if he is not required, when the shift ends he can have a drink but not too much so if he is called up the next day he is fit for duty. Then after the period he should be given a few days grace off for his contribution over the festive period.

God i despair sometimes with you so called seniors who are meant to manage us juniors, you don't know what you are doing.

F**ing Idiots.............DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[fatboy11]

Me finx the point is........say your 'home' is 4hrs from your unit then technically you would have to stay on camp, SOBER over Xmas. To be expected to use leave for the privelege sucks the fat one. Are seniors kahunas removed along with their spine and their bladder control???????:S

 

[Monkey Bumhead]

Me finx the point is........say your 'home' is 4hrs from your unit then technically you would have to stay on camp, SOBER over Xmas. To be expected to use leave for the privelege sucks the fat one. Are seniors kahunas removed along with their spine and their bladder control???????:S

Yep all the above is true..........

 

[muttywhitedog]

Me finx the point is........say your 'home' is 4hrs from your unit then technically you would have to stay on camp, SOBER over Xmas. To be expected to use leave for the privelege sucks the fat one. Are seniors kahunas removed along with their spine and their bladder control???????:S

Not in my trade at my unit they aint. When discussing amongst ourselves who could cover duty clerk over Xmas & NY (No formal rostering - it was all done by the section heads sitting round a table and volunteering for parts), one of the Cpls (quite new to us) asked if she would have to put leave in and cancel it a la OP.

She was told very quickly that she would be on duty and therefore no leave pass was expected for those days.

 

[billy bollox]

I can see where they are coming from re putting leave in en masse as many (mainly comissioned types) conveniently forget to put it in. I do a similar scheme on my Sqn, however before pressing the "submit" button, I liaise closely with my 2 FS IC Shifts who tell me exactly who will be on duty over a public holiday so we dont end up screwing anyone over.
If this throbber was introduced to the word "co-operation" with his fellow line managers, his life would be a whole lot easier!

Sometimes, we as a trade group really dont help ourselves....this attitude makes us take 2 steps back!

Shimmeringbottom, if you want to round up a "correction posse" count me in!!!

Astonishingly, I was asked to provide said Adminer with a list of who was on Duty over the Grant. So I did and then he came back with "X" on guard is to put leave pass in either side of his duty and "Y" is to put leave in for the whole grant covering his standby" At that point I saw red and I'm still sorting it out now.