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My overall opinion of you hasnt changed, you're still a tw@t.
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My overall opinion of you hasnt changed, you're still a tw@t.
Right! I am one of the "lucky" few being interviewed. They chose 4 from my Unit in diverse ranks and jobs. The questionnaire was a nightmare, completed properly it should have taken several man hours (mine did). However try and break down what you do each day into percentages thereof? Seriously, sit and think of what trade related tasks you do each day and break them down in to a list of how much time is spent on each. There is also a column for how often you carry out your tasks at home/in harbour, and away/at sea. This is where the Wing lads can earn their crust! They are not interested in non trade related tasks, unless they are core to your specific job, Supply Admin for instance. I will do my damndest not to let everyone down when I am interviewed, I want more money as well remember!
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Ahh Gillo you little trickster you on a wee fishing trip there.... norty norty!!!
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Thanks for the motivation s**g bird.....will look forward to you being lower pay band forever and same goes for the naked s***ter.
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He has a point though.
As much as 'The Wing' {thumps clenched right fist to chest} is portrayed by the fat, useless and those with a note from Mum of the blue supply world as being nothing more than petrol pump attendants acting ally in cabbage kit it is one of the few parts of the supply trade that couldn't be civilianised and any job that a civvy care in the community mong can do doesn't really justify a pay rise.
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tw@t, I say again, tw@t
I wont miss what I've never had so I couldn't care less. I'd of thought a man who is as high up in the chain of command as you seen to think you are wouldn't need motivating.
Now fook off and when you get there fook off again.......
I agree (thumps my own chest) ahem, as you'll know from my previous I have also served a few happy years on the mighty wing and can not for the life of me understand why we (even if it was just the wing boys) aren't on the higher pay band. I also think that in a job which is as diverse as supply it is about time the powers that be recognised this and reflected it in our pay.
Not agreeing with your general view of Stackers though THS there are good un's and bad un's at every camp and even here on the goat eh, redundancy please!!
Diverse but not very taxing. Unfortunately since demise of Supp Gen/Supp 1 our skill/responsibilty levels have dramatically reduced. Gone are the days of arranging spec runs early doors to pick up no duff D State for A/C sitting on Q at Wilders etc or knowing how or why not to accept an industrial off load for a bench slave test set.
I,m not trying to wind anyone up but please convince me why we are so skilled to warrant moving the trade into higher pay in a hugely reduced air farce with a supply chain run by a bunch Civvies who have no idea what aircraft are.
I totally agree that the lads and lasses work hard and morally deserve to move up after the slammers smoke and mirrors con. I just can,t see the board being suckered again so easily.
DT_Xtremez_40: PS No chance of redundancy with retention issues.
DG, Fuels, X, PSA Q's are a case for the higher payband, make a mistake and in the worst case we can could be dragged through civilian courts. But we will never get the higher payband, because we have plenty of people who just lick windows in the likes of Tech stores!!
Problem is Helpful, they don't want to civilianise your job, but the Army want it big style! Our trade is probably the most diverse of all, my job covers both Aviation and Ground Fuels, R&D and Equipment store (Tech stores in old money). We don't go OOA into the same job we do in the UK (or rarely anyway) Therefore we need to be flexible (a bit like RAFBird), People sitting on this forum and saying stuff like "window licking Tech stores" does the trade no good at all, we all need to highlight what we do, and how good we are at it. Perhaps the return of a "42" type Supply magazine with articles about Logs Sqn's (rather then the latest update to the JSP) could go some way to showing our skills off a bit, any comments?
What is so hard about DG when we only send the same routine stuff around the UK and its cheaper to buy most stuff locally if needed urgently overseas than demanding through the system. Plus signing DG paperwork has been downgraded from a SNCOs task. The 'X' Q has always been a joke, and as for PSA Q in the early days of USAS it got loads of people promoted because they liked to sound dead important. Being a PSA is hardly rocket science or very challanging providing you use the proper commands laid down in the operating manual. As for being taken to court? There are far too many dodgy civvy companies moving stuff around for the H&S police to be bothered trying to prosecute an individaul working in a Goverment Agency.
Alas since opting for MAC our SCAFs, Stores etc etc are being run on the cheap by some 'window licking' civvy who are running them along Fred Carno lines without Aircraft falling out of the air. So we can,t really boast about it being that hard.
This is not meant to be a wind up rather a reality check of trying talk ourselves up in the wrong areas. Look at how anyone can have an Amex Card and purchase what they want providing its in budget and cheaper than setting up old style provisioning channels . In my opinion we need to completely re-address our core structure and training. Our role should and always will be diverse, however simply going back over history will not win us any battles. Perhaps the Logistics puzzle needs looking at again outside of the trade barriers. By addressing the whole issue and have a loggie that can truely do everything: drive, re-fuel, handle bombs & bullets, air&surface movements, provision, budget &contract plus wharehouse management etc, would deliver real value for money. By streamlining the Logistics process in this manner we would even have enougth savings to fund a higher pay award. There is far more mileage in breaking the task down into the real challanging areas, where being able to think on your feet to solve real logistics problems both at home and on Det. It is achievable as I have held all of the Qs at one time or another but the old fashioned trade barriers do not allow anyone to exercise the skill sets properly.
Finally have a quick reality check and look at how 16 MU, 30 MU Sealand and 217MU Cardington lie in ruins replaced by Civvy companies who do all the important Supply Chain Management work now. Unless the Russian Bear really shows its claws our lordships are more than happy to take the risk of down skilling loads of trades including ours.
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I imagine its been a while since you prepped DG etc, downgraded from a unqualified SNCO signing p/w?, other way around, no crown immunity so people have to be qualified unlike the old days. (Police often check FDS wagons for correct DG paperwork as they know the military have been gash in the past)
Use local pol products?, i'm sure that will make the techies happy, using abduls specially made oils etc! (after you find someone who will be brave enough to pop down to the local market) Also try being a PSA in Basrah/Afghan not so simple there!
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I only did my DG in Nov 06 but have always been under the impression that you have to do the course or be a Sgt to sign the 1380. As for the rest of the paperwork like the DGN etc
don't quote me but I think you have to have the Q to sign these.
It all starts to get complicated when you need the X and RPS courses to send stuff off.
Whats even worse is when you wait for 2 months to get your new IATA's that always get lost in the post, then people start breathing down your back.
But what has always F%*ked me off is sending someone with the Q abroad to send back POL that the techies didn't use...... WHY!!!!
Just dispose of it locally over there, what a waste of money.
And taking about wasting money, this new scheme that some Knob came up with for PFDS.
We used to get 2 wagons a day one at Midnight the other during the day.
All was good, during the day you would have a little kit come in and because the other 2 stations on the same route was closed after 5pm we had the 40fter to our selfs.
Great I hear you say, we had no proplem getting rid of bulk, surplus GSE etc etc, but now it's a nightmare to get anything back.
Now you have to apply for back loading which can take upto 10 weeks, very bad.
Example, the other day I had a phone call from Bicester to ask if we could accept a spec wagon to drop stuff off for us, I said ok and the wagon was 2 days late coming in "how I don't know"
But the bit that really pi$$es me off was, we had loads to go back to Bicester so I asked while she was on the phone that day if I could back load it...
The answer to my suprise was "YES" great I thought, Wagon turns up I off load them and start to reload it, wo wo wo I heard in the background the driver had to ring control to ask them "bless him he was AGENCY"
Then Bicester politely to me to fcuk off and fill in a back loading form online.
Now this wagon is going back empty to bicester and another wagon will come have to come back empty as well.
Sorry for the story but someone tell me how and why this is cost effective.
I've heard many stories of wagons going empty to longtown to put up a full trailer because it was on the timetable for it to get there and be empty.
Why don't people talk to each other, IT'S CALLED A TELEPHONE.....
Sorry about the rant
don't quote me but I think you have to have the Q to sign these.
It all starts to get complicated when you need the X and RPS courses to send stuff off.
Whats even worse is when you wait for 2 months to get your new IATA's that always get lost in the post, then people start breathing down your back.
But what has always F%*ked me off is sending someone with the Q abroad to send back POL that the techies didn't use...... WHY!!!!
Just dispose of it locally over there, what a waste of money.
And taking about wasting money, this new scheme that some Knob came up with for PFDS.
We used to get 2 wagons a day one at Midnight the other during the day.
All was good, during the day you would have a little kit come in and because the other 2 stations on the same route was closed after 5pm we had the 40fter to our selfs.
Great I hear you say, we had no proplem getting rid of bulk, surplus GSE etc etc, but now it's a nightmare to get anything back.
Now you have to apply for back loading which can take upto 10 weeks, very bad.
Example, the other day I had a phone call from Bicester to ask if we could accept a spec wagon to drop stuff off for us, I said ok and the wagon was 2 days late coming in "how I don't know"
But the bit that really pi$$es me off was, we had loads to go back to Bicester so I asked while she was on the phone that day if I could back load it...
The answer to my suprise was "YES" great I thought, Wagon turns up I off load them and start to reload it, wo wo wo I heard in the background the driver had to ring control to ask them "bless him he was AGENCY"
Then Bicester politely to me to fcuk off and fill in a back loading form online.
Now this wagon is going back empty to bicester and another wagon will come have to come back empty as well.
Sorry for the story but someone tell me how and why this is cost effective.
I've heard many stories of wagons going empty to longtown to put up a full trailer because it was on the timetable for it to get there and be empty.
Why don't people talk to each other, IT'S CALLED A TELEPHONE.....
Sorry about the rant
And alas yet another example of how the DLO have totally cocked up the Supply Chain causing yet more work; but hardly a case for giving us 'Techie Pay'.
I think what ramp rat is getting to is the fact we have to think on our feet all the time. One of the questions on the Pay Review questionnare was "how often do you use your initiative" to which I replied "daily, as it has become the norm rather then the exception!" Can anyone dispute this regardless of rank?
Look chaps I,m not having a pop about our job I know how hard you all work holding a pretty thankless task together. Unfortunately, unless we can pull off the same smoke and mirrors trick that the 'slammers' achieved we will still be going through the old hoops in 5 years time.
Because of the way we can work we should be allowed to take on a bigger chunk of the overall Logistics task ie a truely multi skilled Driver/Mover/Loggie/Contracting officer etc etc who is able to work in all areas constantly using your initiative throughout the whole Supply Task.
I'm sorry but if we have to be so multi skilled how the hell did drivers get it? Not that I have anything against them however it's not like they could walk into a sqn stores and know what the hell to do in there however I as a supplier hold most driving licences and could walk into their jobs and crack on quite easily.