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There seemed to be 3 grades of GW 1 base:

Tabuk: ISOs, Tents, Field Kitchens
Dhahran: BAe Accommodation, Low Grade Hotels, Field Kitchens
Bahrain: Good Hotels

And Riyadh: 5 star hotel with room service. No booze tho.


What was the allowance? Something like £40 a day for water and meals???
And we just popped to the airport canteen, burger and chips (bloody huge) £1.95. One meal a day but all the jewelery and electrical goods you could carry from downtown Riyadh.

Happy days.
 
okay i've got a question for you guys- all the jets in that (pretty awesome) video are pink (okay okay desert sand) coloured, while some jockey are in green some in pink- so how come now, when we are in the same theatre of ops- hell i even recognise some of the desert they fly over- are our aircraft green or grey? and the dudes on the inside wear pink?
 
okay i've got a question for you guys- all the jets in that (pretty awesome) video are pink (okay okay desert sand) coloured, while some jockey are in green some in pink- so how come now, when we are in the same theatre of ops- hell i even recognise some of the desert they fly over- are our aircraft green or grey? and the dudes on the inside wear pink?

I would imagine that the whole paint scheme thing was that in GW 1 there was a credible threat from the Iraqi air force - today, zero threat from hostile enemy aircraft.

As for the whole pink growbag thing, I'm not sure why jockeys wear them, but who cares anyway? :PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
Believe it may have something to do with being somewhat camoflaged if needed to bang out / emergency evacuate.

 
i reacon its coz they all like pink! hehehe not that the big flaming wreck of a former a/c wont give them away?!?
 
And Riyadh: 5 star hotel with room service. No booze tho.


What was the allowance? Something like £40 a day for water and meals???
And we just popped to the airport canteen, burger and chips (bloody huge) £1.95. One meal a day but all the jewelery and electrical goods you could carry from downtown Riyadh.

Happy days.

Sorry, forgot about that place.

Good allowances at Dhahran until the war started and the field kitchen opened. Swapped shopping down Khobar for some lush food.
 
okay i've got a question for you guys- all the jets in that (pretty awesome) video are pink (okay okay desert sand) coloured, while some jockey are in green some in pink- so how come now, when we are in the same theatre of ops- hell i even recognise some of the desert they fly over- are our aircraft green or grey? and the dudes on the inside wear pink?

The same reason that I left Insworth on an emergency draft in green tropicals. What people had at the time. Got a set of the first deserts at Dhahran about 3 weeks into the war. Growbags have desert flying overalls. The LSJ's and helmets of some of the crews would have been green as well in some cases. John Nicol was in greens when he was on Telly. Depends who your stacker was...
 
The aircraft were desert pink as that was reckoned to be the best cammo colour to protect against visial pick up by fighters at low level, which was how the RAF had intended to fight WWIII and had trained (the biggest threat being SAM's and Fighters, plus it allowed the delivery of dumb (i.e. Cheap) iron bombs to be done quite accurately and allowed less reliance on ECM). The problems were however that unlike Europe, the growbags did not have the terrain to hide behind, the Iraqi's relied heavily in Anti Aircraft Artillery and short range SAM's, plus the USAF gave the Iraqi Air force's fighters and long range SAM force a good kicking on the first night that they never recovered from. Yanks mostly went in at medium level with the exception of the F-111F and F-15E force, who changed their minds and went higher after the first few nights. RAF couldn’t with the Tonka’s as the JP233 anti runway bomb dispenser required the aircraft carrying it to fly over the target at low-level to get the bombs on target. The BL755 cluster bomb at the time had the same problem, had to be dropped at low level to work correctly. Jags started at medium level and stayed there, thanks to two new weapons being added to the aircraft which worked at medium level (Canadian CV7 Rocket and the US Rockeye CBU). The Tonka’s suffered quite heavy losses (much higher that any other type in the war for the numbers in theatre and the number of sorties flown). They lost 8 if memory serves, one due to a control restriction, 6 at low level (only one of those was carrying JP233 and it is reckoned to have flown into the ground after attacking the target, the rest were shot down while doing loft attacks with dumb 1,000 lbs. Bombs (one story is that one of them was taken out by one of its own bombs going off close to the aircraft just after it left the pylon). The one shot down at medium level was at the back end of a large package of Buccs and Tonka’s attacking HAS sites on an airfield (4 Buccs and 8 Tonka’s) one of the Tonka’s at the back of the package was taken out by an SA-2 missile, the size of the package giving the Iraqi’s time to pick a target, before and after this attack, the normal package size was two buccs and four Tonka’s. Bucc’s deployed after the start of the war to support the Tonka’s by marking targets for laser guided bombs carried by the Tonka’s. Before the Bucc’s got there, the Tonka’s had gone to medium level with dumb bombs and couldn’t hit Sh!t with them.
 
The aircraft were desert pink as that was reckoned to be the best cammo colour to protect against visial pick up by fighters at low level, which was how the RAF had intended to fight WWIII and had trained (the biggest threat being SAM's and Fighters, plus it allowed the delivery of dumb (i.e. Cheap) iron bombs to be done quite accurately and allowed less reliance on ECM). The problems were however that unlike Europe, the growbags did not have the terrain to hide behind, the Iraqi's relied heavily in Anti Aircraft Artillery and short range SAM's, plus the USAF gave the Iraqi Air force's fighters and long range SAM force a good kicking on the first night that they never recovered from. Yanks mostly went in at medium level with the exception of the F-111F and F-15E force, who changed their minds and went higher after the first few nights. RAF couldn’t with the Tonka’s as the JP233 anti runway bomb dispenser required the aircraft carrying it to fly over the target at low-level to get the bombs on target. The BL755 cluster bomb at the time had the same problem, had to be dropped at low level to work correctly. Jags started at medium level and stayed there, thanks to two new weapons being added to the aircraft which worked at medium level (Canadian CV7 Rocket and the US Rockeye CBU). The Tonka’s suffered quite heavy losses (much higher that any other type in the war for the numbers in theatre and the number of sorties flown). They lost 8 if memory serves, one due to a control restriction, 6 at low level (only one of those was carrying JP233 and it is reckoned to have flown into the ground after attacking the target, the rest were shot down while doing loft attacks with dumb 1,000 lbs. Bombs (one story is that one of them was taken out by one of its own bombs going off close to the aircraft just after it left the pylon). The one shot down at medium level was at the back end of a large package of Buccs and Tonka’s attacking HAS sites on an airfield (4 Buccs and 8 Tonka’s) one of the Tonka’s at the back of the package was taken out by an SA-2 missile, the size of the package giving the Iraqi’s time to pick a target, before and after this attack, the normal package size was two buccs and four Tonka’s. Bucc’s deployed after the start of the war to support the Tonka’s by marking targets for laser guided bombs carried by the Tonka’s. Before the Bucc’s got there, the Tonka’s had gone to medium level with dumb bombs and couldn’t hit Sh!t with them.

It would have been quite possible for a Tonka to have been destroyed by its own bomb. With the newer fuses (951 & 960) this is impossible, but during GW 1 they dragged out lots of "obsolete" fuses such as nose pistol dets etc.
 
The aircraft were desert pink...

...in the end-

I was on Tankers still in the brilliant white of BA (that`ll give a clue) when one returned from a sortie. He was told by a Tonka pilot they didn`t need the TACAN and all that clever stuff as they could see the tanker from over 100miles away!!!
Followed by the captain asking straight faced (and i kid you not here) if any ground crew wanted a freebie ride tomorrow.

We shambled off leaving a gob-smacked capt cursing the ungrateful liney buggers.


It was shortly after that that ours went in for a quick spray with desert pink. Of course it didnt last long with the abrasive atmosphere,but it was interesting,like looking at the results of a wind tunnel,you could see exactly where the air flowed.
 
...in the end-

I was on Tankers still in the brilliant white of BA (that`ll give a clue) when one returned from a sortie. He was told by a Tonka pilot they didn`t need the TACAN and all that clever stuff as they could see the tanker from over 100miles away!!!
Followed by the captain asking straight faced (and i kid you not here) if any ground crew wanted a freebie ride tomorrow.

We shambled off leaving a gob-smacked capt cursing the ungrateful liney buggers.


It was shortly after that that ours went in for a quick spray with desert pink. Of course it didnt last long with the abrasive atmosphere,but it was interesting,like looking at the results of a wind tunnel,you could see exactly where the air flowed.

I know the one your talking about.:PDT_Xtremez_14: didn't it pick up the nick name of the Pink Pig?:PDT_Xtremez_34: Of course all of the other tankers were in that horrible Hemp colour hence didn't get any new paint but for the nose art (better ones on the Victor's, though the BP Logo and 'The empire strikes back' one on the VC-10s were not bad)
 
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I know i have asked this before but can anyone suggest where I can get a copy of the Vid that was done during GW1 with the phil collins "In the Air Tonight" soudtrack. Been looking for it for years. Was promised a copy by troupy but never appeared.
Please.:PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
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This was our 'Luxury' accomodation in Bahrain:PDT_Xtremez_34: Though we did get the odd night in the Regency:rolleyes: ;)

God it must have been a long time ago (It was a few years after that colour film was invented)

Thanks for posting the vid, it brought back some almost fond memories. Like going out on the lash carrying a respirator :PDT_Xtremez_42:

P
 
The aircraft were desert pink as that was reckoned to be the best cammo colour to protect against visial pick up by fighters at low level, which was how the RAF had intended to fight WWIII and had trained (the biggest threat being SAM's and Fighters, plus it allowed the delivery of dumb (i.e. Cheap) iron bombs to be done quite accurately and allowed less reliance on ECM). The problems were however that unlike Europe, the growbags did not have the terrain to hide behind, the Iraqi's relied heavily in Anti Aircraft Artillery and short range SAM's, plus the USAF gave the Iraqi Air force's fighters and long range SAM force a good kicking on the first night that they never recovered from. Yanks mostly went in at medium level with the exception of the F-111F and F-15E force, who changed their minds and went higher after the first few nights. RAF couldn’t with the Tonka’s as the JP233 anti runway bomb dispenser required the aircraft carrying it to fly over the target at low-level to get the bombs on target. The BL755 cluster bomb at the time had the same problem, had to be dropped at low level to work correctly. Jags started at medium level and stayed there, thanks to two new weapons being added to the aircraft which worked at medium level (Canadian CV7 Rocket and the US Rockeye CBU). The Tonka’s suffered quite heavy losses (much higher that any other type in the war for the numbers in theatre and the number of sorties flown). They lost 8 if memory serves, one due to a control restriction, 6 at low level (only one of those was carrying JP233 and it is reckoned to have flown into the ground after attacking the target, the rest were shot down while doing loft attacks with dumb 1,000 lbs. Bombs (one story is that one of them was taken out by one of its own bombs going off close to the aircraft just after it left the pylon). The one shot down at medium level was at the back end of a large package of Buccs and Tonka’s attacking HAS sites on an airfield (4 Buccs and 8 Tonka’s) one of the Tonka’s at the back of the package was taken out by an SA-2 missile, the size of the package giving the Iraqi’s time to pick a target, before and after this attack, the normal package size was two buccs and four Tonka’s. Bucc’s deployed after the start of the war to support the Tonka’s by marking targets for laser guided bombs carried by the Tonka’s. Before the Bucc’s got there, the Tonka’s had gone to medium level with dumb bombs and couldn’t hit Sh!t with them.

MainJAFAD, there was indeed a Tonka that was 'dropped' by his own bomb, and the Nav concerned, (sadly just about to leave the RAF) is one of the nicest and modest guys you could ever hope to meet, and used to give a very good recount of it for Force Development.

It would have been quite possible for a Tonka to have been destroyed by its own bomb. With the newer fuses (951 & 960) this is impossible, but during GW 1 they dragged out lots of "obsolete" fuses such as nose pistol dets etc.

Monty, the fuse in question was a 960. PM me if you want to know more.
 
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Yes he can, and so can I. A Jag pilot who now paints them and other aircraft as well.

Names.... Baggers "Pink Spitfire", The Bucc pilot meditating in the cockpit did it when he was waiting to lead out the last Jag formation (Youngest Gulf war pilot). Groundcrew JT strapping in the Jag guy worked for me 18 months later (had been drinkinng with him prior to GW1 at Colt as he played rugby with a mate in AMF). Mike R is also in it with a guy who is now an Airship. Ginger JT , I believe was a bombhead on 41 (Another old Colt regular).
 
Getting back to the video. That must be the oldest GINGER JT ever, he must be in his late 40's. WTF.

Studley :0

Joined late and was one of those who were able to sign on to 22 without making Cpl, you were able to do that once. I worked with a guy a few years back who will be leaving the RAF at age 55 as a Sgt (he was going to finish his 22 at age 50).
 
I know the one your talking about.:PDT_Xtremez_14: didn't it pick up the nick name of the Pink Pig?:PDT_Xtremez_34: Of course all of the other tankers were in that horrible Hemp colour hence didn't get any new paint but for the nose art (better ones on the Victor's, though the BP Logo and 'The empire strikes back' one on the VC-10s were not bad)

How could you take the mick about colour schemes whilst sitting in a pink aircraft!!

Here are a couple of photos of 'The Empire Strikes Back' for you.
 

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How could you take the mick about colour schemes whilst sitting in a pink aircraft!!

Here are a couple of photos of 'The Empire Strikes Back' for you.

I've never sat in a Pink Timmy ever (I've seen photos of it), Was working on a Pink Radar convoy during GW1 however, with big black inverted V's on the side. The Type 94 radar at Wattisham was painted pink and was going to deploy to the Gulf in late 1990 until it was discovered that a massive amount of Herc sorties would be required to get it out down there. Radar ended up doing the war at Portreath and we did see the odd B-52 depart from Fairford (Though some B52's did land at St Mawgan during the war on their return from Kuwait due to Fairford being closed due to weather). One of 144SU's moblie Link 11 wagons did go to the gulf, and it was a horrible yellow colour.
 
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