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This got officially read out to us yesterday...essentially if we are planning, flying (obviously) or sim'ing we can be in bags...for a gash day on the sqn it's blues...Fair enough...

After I listened to these words I went back to the planning room I'd been working in doing some stuff for next week...As I sat there pawing through paperwork I noticed big flakes of ancient paint falling onto my books along with other crap...The room was ill lit as 2-3 strip lights had failed and it was generally in need of a redec...It was then that I realised just how out of touch some people are further up the chain...What we actually need is not pointless new decree's about wearing different types of uniform on different days to improve mine/yours/any buggers elses awareness and pride in the service but some bloody money spent on the basics...Thats what will make me a bit more proud of where I work I reckon...If I could have some nice rooms that were designed for purpose, aircraft that worked and enough people to man and fix them...
 
Vim_Fuego said:
This got officially read out to us yesterday...essentially if we are planning, flying (obviously) or sim'ing we can be in bags...for a gash day on the sqn it's blues...Fair enough...

After I listened to these words I went back to the planning room I'd been working in doing some stuff for next week...As I sat there pawing through paperwork I noticed big flakes of ancient paint falling onto my books along with other crap...The room was ill lit as 2-3 strip lights had failed and it was generally in need of a redec...It was then that I realised just how out of touch some people are further up the chain...What we actually need is not pointless new decree's about wearing different types of uniform on different days to improve mine/yours/any buggers elses awareness and pride in the service but some bloody money spent on the basics...Thats what will make me a bit more proud of where I work I reckon...If I could have some nice rooms that were designed for purpose, aircraft that worked and enough people to man and fix them...
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Would you like some jam on that?:PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
Vim_Fuego said:
aircraft that worked and enough people to man and fix them...
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Off Topicid like enough spares to fix the aircraft but with the money saving going on at the moment its not going to happen anytime soon.

i for one have to agree that unless it is vital to your job you should be in blue not sure about the blue overalls though whats wrong with the ones we have.
 
mild mannered janitor said:
Off Topicid like enough spares to fix the aircraft but with the money saving going on at the moment its not going to happen anytime soon.

i for one have to agree that unless it is vital to your job you should be in blue not sure about the blue overalls though whats wrong with the ones we have.
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Absolutely nothing, if it is true about going back to blue ones, it will only be because it's some commisioned bright spark's good idea. Break out the hubs and spokes!:raf:
 
Vim_Fuego said:
This got officially read out to us yesterday...essentially if we are planning, flying (obviously) or sim'ing we can be in bags...for a gash day on the sqn it's blues...Fair enough...

After I listened to these words I went back to the planning room I'd been working in doing some stuff for next week...As I sat there pawing through paperwork I noticed big flakes of ancient paint falling onto my books along with other crap...The room was ill lit as 2-3 strip lights had failed and it was generally in need of a redec...It was then that I realised just how out of touch some people are further up the chain...What we actually need is not pointless new decree's about wearing different types of uniform on different days to improve mine/yours/any buggers elses awareness and pride in the service but some bloody money spent on the basics...Thats what will make me a bit more proud of where I work I reckon...If I could have some nice rooms that were designed for purpose, aircraft that worked and enough people to man and fix them...
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Unfortunately, the RAF board lost the plot years ago. Whilst I entirely agree with all your sentiments its like trying to push a snowball uphill convincing Senior management to speak out. Yet again they will toady up and pretend things are all sweetness and light on Moon base alpha.
 
Vim_Fuego said:
This got officially read out to us yesterday...essentially if we are planning, flying (obviously) or sim'ing we can be in bags...for a gash day on the sqn it's blues...Fair enough...

After I listened to these words I went back to the planning room I'd been working in doing some stuff for next week...As I sat there pawing through paperwork I noticed big flakes of ancient paint falling onto my books along with other crap...The room was ill lit as 2-3 strip lights had failed and it was generally in need of a redec...It was then that I realised just how out of touch some people are further up the chain...What we actually need is not pointless new decree's about wearing different types of uniform on different days to improve mine/yours/any buggers elses awareness and pride in the service but some bloody money spent on the basics...Thats what will make me a bit more proud of where I work I reckon...If I could have some nice rooms that were designed for purpose, aircraft that worked and enough people to man and fix them...
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Up here at ISK we have got some rooms designed for purpose (they've even got a hangar attached) but some bright spark decided to base us miles away in a building designed for growbag use.
So even when we have the facilities it's not just the ivory tower dwellers that have wierd and wonderful views on the Royal Air Force its messed up at station level as well.
 
rest have risen above me said:
Up here at ISK we have got some rooms designed for purpose (they've even got a hangar attached) but some bright spark decided to base us miles away in a building designed for growbag use.
So even when we have the facilities it's not just the ivory tower dwellers that have wierd and wonderful views on the Royal Air Force its messed up at station level as well.
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That move defies logic. Move from a purpose built line building, with attached hangerage, close to the aircraft to a building where you can barely see the aircraft. Wtf were they thinking?
 
I've heard on the grapevine that there is now a shortage of woolie pullies and coveralls all of a sudden........ wonder why that is? :PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
Vim_Fuego said:
As I sat there pawing through paperwork I noticed big flakes of ancient paint falling onto my books along with other crap...The room was ill lit as 2-3 strip lights had failed and it was generally in need of a redec...It was then that I realised just how out of touch some people are further up the chain...What we actually need is not pointless new decree's about wearing different types of uniform on different days to improve mine/yours/any buggers elses awareness and pride in the service but some bloody money spent on the basics...Thats what will make me a bit more proud of where I work I reckon...If I could have some nice rooms that were designed for purpose, aircraft that worked and enough people to man and fix them...
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If I have understood anything about the modern (??) RAF from reading the comments on the Goat, I think, Vim, that you have put your finger on the nub of the problem and summed it up beautifully.

Incidentally, I thought there were Rules (H&S, etc) about minimum lighting and atmospheric crap ?
 
The rules on the wearing of CS95 and other forms of dress have been in general orders for years. It is only the fact that it hasn't been enforced from above until now..

Good thing too.. We are (sic) in the Royal Air Force, not the bl**dy Army!!

CS95 is for use on Execise (CCS & displays included) and Ops, nothing else!
 
I Look Like Kevin Costner said:
The rules on the wearing of CS95 and other forms of dress have been in general orders for years. It is only the fact that it hasn't been enforced from above until now..

Good thing too.. We are (sic) in the Royal Air Force, not the bl**dy Army!!

CS95 is for use on Execise (CCS & displays included) and Ops, nothing else!
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Sorry Pal but tell the RAF Regt and Formed Units to put on blue because we look like the Army in CS 95 is just sour grapes. I am equally proud to serve in blues, however, field Units have built their ethos working alongside the Army who are well aware of our professionalism. Plus a lot of guys and girls like looking a little bit different from the RAC uniform without needing to being ultra elite. I will even stick up for the grow bags who like to stand out as aircrew even with their leather non-flying jackets, why not they trained hard enougth.

Sticking on a Uniform styled in early 80s with little or no history is hardly the way to motivate people in cash strapped times. Plus the dress regs allow folks to buy a chip hat or RAF stable belt because blues are so crap looking, and Sqn cumberbands are more or less the norm in both messes.
 
Gillo said:
Sorry Pal but tell the RAF Regt and Formed Units to put on blue because we look like the Army in CS 95 is just sour grapes. I am equally proud to serve in blues, however, field Units have built their ethos working alongside the Army who are well aware of our professionalism. Plus a lot of guys and girls like looking a little bit different from the RAC uniform without needing to being ultra elite. I will even stick up for the grow bags who like to stand out as aircrew even with their leather non-flying jackets, why not they trained hard enougth.

Sticking on a Uniform styled in early 80s with little or no history is hardly the way to motivate people in cash strapped times. Plus the dress regs allow folks to buy a chip hat or RAF stable belt because blues are so crap looking, and Sqn cumberbands are more or less the norm in both messes.
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Go and read the dress regs, mate. Those orders have been there since CS95 came in. You are talking about "Empire building" which tends to be the real reason that sections wear greens on their day to day work on a Station / formed unit.

There is no reason why you have to wear greens on your home base. If your doing dirty work, you should be wearing overalls anyway as CS95 kit is cr*p at protecting you from POL etc.

Your arguement however is academic and irrelevent as the new order is an order from the highest level.
 
I Look Like Kevin Costner said:
Go and read the dress regs, mate. Those orders have been there since CS95 came in. You are talking about "Empire building" which tends to be the real reason that sections wear greens on their day to day work on a Station / formed unit.

Your arguement however is academic and irrelevent as the new order is an order from the highest level.
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My Unit first started OGs in the early 70s as barrack dress so i,m not sure why its been frowned upon recently. I,ve helped loads of RAFP etc get there hands on greens (OGs etc) as it's far more practical than wearing blues in certain jobs. You should have tried working in F/Isle early days when the only kit fit for use was DPM greens. Green/DPM foul weather gear has been used by personnel working on airfields for years, or do you want to go back to wearing Goose Bay parkas and zuet suits.
As I said before the highest level are completely out of touch with the real issues behind recruiting and retention. More like Nero playing with his thing whilst Rome burned.
 
Gillo said:
Green/DPM foul weather gear has been used by personnel working on airfields for years
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Agreed, but it was never the CS95 Goretex. It was also issued by sections to personnel on a loan basis. You finished with that section, you gave it back.

Gillo said:
As I said before the highest level are completely out of touch with the real issues behind recruiting and retention. More like Nero playing with his thing whilst Rome burned
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It is more to do with cost, I would guess. CS95 has a crap working lifespan. True, so does the Blues, but I think you will find they are cheaper.

I wore CS95 for a year on a section, cos the Sgt up there wanted it (and nobody battered an eyelid). Major reason was that he didn't like ironing "blues"!

The guy is still in charge of that section... They wear blues and overalls now!

I would agree that Dog Handlers and Rocks have very valid reasons for wearing greens permanently. Unfortunately nobody else does!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
 
The RAF Regt have always worn Blue. It's called a beret.. :PDT_Xtremez_15:
 
and I wonder what it will look like and where the RAF logo on the coveralls will be like - embroidered or screen printed? Do the sensible thing and issue us all with a velcro corporate logo and velcro for the coveralls.

I thought the whole idea of green overalls was one contract in place for tri service? Is it coming to an end?
 
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