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i dont think it's turning into admin bashing it's simply been said that it's an admin f**k up (as it was when the same kind of thing happened to me)
they do f**k things up from time to time (well a lot actually)
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i dont think it's turning into admin bashing it's simply been said that it's an admin f**k up (as it was when the same kind of thing happened to me)
they do f**k things up from time to time (well a lot actually)
DT_Xtremez_42:Looks like some posters are jumping to conclusions by blaming the Drafter. Do you have any idea of any other factors that may be the real reason for the OP's situation? I don't, but I do know that there are a wide range of possibilities for this situation; next man to go may have gone sick etc etc. But lets not let that get in the way of Adminers getting a(nother) slagging.
WTBP - you too could have been on the higher pay band if you hadn't failed JATCC (see how easy it is to make assumptions when you don't have the full facts to hand?)
WTBP - you too could have been on the higher pay band if you hadn't failed JATCC (see how easy it is to make assumptions when you don't have the full facts to hand?)
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Having read this thread i cannot see where Renton said why can't someone else get dicked with this det. What he said to make it clear is why cannot someone who already had/has/holds the relevant q's have been nominated instead.
Unfortunately the timing of the post, and the way it reads, can lead some to believe that now,at this moment in time, with weeks to go before the det is commence, he would prefer it if someone else went in his stead.
This should have been sorted months ago. Renton could have gone to Afghan, and a trawl made for someone in the trade to go to the FI.
What could have happened though is that the desk now, have a willing volunteer to do an OOA. Who knows the guy due to go to the FI could have dropped out with a glass spine, and rather than trawl for someone else they have Renton who is due for a det anyway does it matter to his trade desk as to where he volunteered for? Probably not.
But why let the facts get in the way of a chance to put some poor bugger down!
And to help you whilst down there
¡Fuera de mi tierra que se Argentino cabrón!
Unfortunately the timing of the post, and the way it reads, can lead some to believe that now,at this moment in time, with weeks to go before the det is commence, he would prefer it if someone else went in his stead.
This should have been sorted months ago. Renton could have gone to Afghan, and a trawl made for someone in the trade to go to the FI.
What could have happened though is that the desk now, have a willing volunteer to do an OOA. Who knows the guy due to go to the FI could have dropped out with a glass spine, and rather than trawl for someone else they have Renton who is due for a det anyway does it matter to his trade desk as to where he volunteered for? Probably not.
But why let the facts get in the way of a chance to put some poor bugger down!
And to help you whilst down there
¡Fuera de mi tierra que se Argentino cabrón!
thanks for that!!
just to make it clear though, i had done all my courses for going to afghan but that was changed with just over a month to go before i went out there!!
its actually four months today that i will be going out to fi and i have courses to do totaling about 3 months of that so will have to grab a week here and there to see my family before i go away.
ive done an ooa before but this is the first time have been away from my kids(5 and 2 btw)for such a long time and no doubt they are going to find it strange .
i also know that im part of the military and that should be that but it still bites a bit!!
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A bit of a ****** when you think you could be probably half way through now.
Know how you feel about the kids.
Doing two years unaccompanied and get to see mine every 6 weeks or so.
Before you all start, it was my choice!
Know how you feel about the kids.
Doing two years unaccompanied and get to see mine every 6 weeks or so.
Before you all start, it was my choice!
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Sounds similar to my visit to MPA last year only the **** up with courses was purely down to the useless CT at my place of work appointed with just that - sorting out courses. Not only was he constantly passing the buck back to the drafter just so he could get his Golf handicap down but when cornered to do something about it he firmly put the onus on me to sort it out about 2 months before I was due.
In the end I managed on what I could arrange in the UK and learned the rest out there. I'm a family man too so I know all too well of the extra impact.
In the end I managed on what I could arrange in the UK and learned the rest out there. I'm a family man too so I know all too well of the extra impact.
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blame game
blame game
Right I am going to stick my neck out and agree with the OP.
There is a person assigned to the post, there is a reserve and there is some sort of forward planning to be done.
Some posts in my trade require a lot of courses.
one lad at work had to do 26 weeks courses in the 6 months notice he got.
work out the maths!
now yes he was given 12 months notice but that soon changed to 6. 1 and a half people must have dropped out, how does that work?
A lot of this is caused by stressed wives, glass backs and there is some promotions that may take you off the det. but for the follies there is no reason to not go with a glass back?
I say if you can't go on a det for any reason other then an imminent death then admin'd out!
They are trying to do it for people who can't run backwards and forwards even if they go on det so those that do not fulfil the primary role then Bye!
blame game
Right I am going to stick my neck out and agree with the OP.
There is a person assigned to the post, there is a reserve and there is some sort of forward planning to be done.
Some posts in my trade require a lot of courses.
one lad at work had to do 26 weeks courses in the 6 months notice he got.
work out the maths!
now yes he was given 12 months notice but that soon changed to 6. 1 and a half people must have dropped out, how does that work?
A lot of this is caused by stressed wives, glass backs and there is some promotions that may take you off the det. but for the follies there is no reason to not go with a glass back?
I say if you can't go on a det for any reason other then an imminent death then admin'd out!
They are trying to do it for people who can't run backwards and forwards even if they go on det so those that do not fulfil the primary role then Bye!
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What's the bloody point?
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To fail something you first have to have attempted to pass it. What were you saying about having the full facts to hand?
I await some sort of a reply. Not for 42 minutes or so. It is before 8am after all!
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You are joking, aren't you? I was giving an example of how easy it is to make assumptions without having the facts - did you not work that out?
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What's the bloody point?
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No I am not joking. You stated, incorrectly, that I had failed a course. A course I have never attended. By your rationale I have also failed a food handling, airframe technician's, chinook crewman and HGV course.
I asked a question when I mentioned what were admin doing and hypothesised, not assumed, as to what they may have been doing.
But, to get back on track, the guy is an SAC armourer. There must be many SAC armourers serving OOA (not OOTW!) in NFU's. Therefore, there must be as many on a 4 month reserve. Therefore, any one of these on a 4 month reserve could have been chosen to fill this post even if it meant that someone else had to do courses before deploying. Unless, of course, all of those on reserve had welfare, sickness or whatever may have happened to lead to someone being pinged as per the original post?
Why should someone be brought forward to their reserve to have to fill the post when he has no reason at all not to fill that post other than he is dripping about not having enough quality time with his family?? Dont get me wrong I sympathise with him, it is a ball ache to get messed around but that is still no reason for someone else to get messed around.
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Thought that was the whole point of a reserve, someone falls down and off you go! why should someone in their reserve, who has been warned that they are going, just sit back and watch someone with next to no notice go?
that is not what i meant.
what i have suggested is that there maybe another sac who already holds all the relevant q's who could get told he is off in july, he would then have 4 months at home/work etc getting his life together.
because of the ****ing around by my desk/drafter whoever it is that sorts my course i have got less than 5 weeks at home/at unit untill i go away in july.
in my last 6 weeks before i go i have one week not on courses which is 4 weeks before i go away???
i know it will never happen and i do not expect it to
whats got my goat is that they manning/drafters etc have said the reason they have chose me is that im most qualififed???
how do they figure that out?
Tell me to mind my own.......but my hubby had a very similiar situation before he deployed to Afghan 7 weeks ago. I know it's tough for the family (think my experience counts) but your wife will adjust and so will the children. It's crap, but that's the job. At least it's going to be an easy det...plenty of bars and great comms. Don't get someone dicked and do your time. If being fecked around doesn't sit well with you or your family, perhaphs it's time to move on. PVR rate's down to 6months so you could be out in plenty of time for 2011. We've had a royal feck around, but the job security and cheap housing suits. Stop moaning, get off the computer and spend some quality time with the family. Sorry if this isn't the advice you want to hear, but I think you need to make the best of it and get on with it.
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I think Renton is flogging a dead horse on this one. People seem to fixated on a couple of issues, which if carefully read are not issues for Renton at all.
Think of it this way. Vounteered for Afghan last year. No probs, family happy plenty of time to get used to the idea of him not being there.
Then told that no you are not going to Afghan but to the FI's. Again not a problem.
Told you will need to do additional courses. Fair enough.
Told you do not need the courses.
Told you need the courses etc.
Then told that the course dates will take you up to the time you are need to deploy.
Yes Renton has got time with his family, just not when it would be needed, that is just before he deploys.
If the course dates had been on, and not changed around then no doubt they would be finished by now and he would have time to get things sorted that need doing.
At NO time has he said that he does not want to go.
At NO time has he said that someone else should be dicked instead of time.
The only complaint is the fact that all his courses, through no fault of his own have been lumped together.
We have all been there and no the score. The reserve lists are there for a reason.
FFS the guy volunteered for Afghanistan when most would sit back and WAIT to be told they are deploying.
The failing, if any, is with the deployment list. As has been said there must be plenty of armourers with the required skill set for the FI.
Is there, for example, separate lists for the FI and Ops deployments?
Had someones eye fallen off the ball in regards to people required for the FI?
If so then what I said in earlier post could still stand. That is that here is a volunteer for OOA, all the depoyments for ops could have been filled for the next 18 months for all we know. Rather than bugger up a nicely exelled spreadsheet, here is someone who does not fit the list, is a volunteer and surely would not mind the FI. A short-sighted approach.
Personally I was under the impression that a volunteer for 'spec-ops' trumped any other deployment list and that Renton should now be enjoying life in the sun!
Give the guy a break. To my mind he is NOT dripping, just stating some injustices and lack of planning that is in the system.
Put yourself properly in his shoes and look at the fact that he has been dicked around since volunteering, had the added stress of not knowing when the course dates are, probably unable to book a family holiday/time away, and now people telling him that he is a whinging git and to man up.
(Adminers this is not a bash at you guys either.)
Think of it this way. Vounteered for Afghan last year. No probs, family happy plenty of time to get used to the idea of him not being there.
Then told that no you are not going to Afghan but to the FI's. Again not a problem.
Told you will need to do additional courses. Fair enough.
Told you do not need the courses.
Told you need the courses etc.
Then told that the course dates will take you up to the time you are need to deploy.
Yes Renton has got time with his family, just not when it would be needed, that is just before he deploys.
If the course dates had been on, and not changed around then no doubt they would be finished by now and he would have time to get things sorted that need doing.
At NO time has he said that he does not want to go.
At NO time has he said that someone else should be dicked instead of time.
The only complaint is the fact that all his courses, through no fault of his own have been lumped together.
We have all been there and no the score. The reserve lists are there for a reason.
FFS the guy volunteered for Afghanistan when most would sit back and WAIT to be told they are deploying.
The failing, if any, is with the deployment list. As has been said there must be plenty of armourers with the required skill set for the FI.
Is there, for example, separate lists for the FI and Ops deployments?
Had someones eye fallen off the ball in regards to people required for the FI?
If so then what I said in earlier post could still stand. That is that here is a volunteer for OOA, all the depoyments for ops could have been filled for the next 18 months for all we know. Rather than bugger up a nicely exelled spreadsheet, here is someone who does not fit the list, is a volunteer and surely would not mind the FI. A short-sighted approach.
Personally I was under the impression that a volunteer for 'spec-ops' trumped any other deployment list and that Renton should now be enjoying life in the sun!
Give the guy a break. To my mind he is NOT dripping, just stating some injustices and lack of planning that is in the system.
Put yourself properly in his shoes and look at the fact that he has been dicked around since volunteering, had the added stress of not knowing when the course dates are, probably unable to book a family holiday/time away, and now people telling him that he is a whinging git and to man up.
(Adminers this is not a bash at you guys either.)
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Not pulling sand-bags, but try coming in to work one morning to be be told to get your bags packed, get your passport and see you in four months.
RAF planning at it's best!
RAF planning at it's best!
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You also completely failed to see his point, and it wasn't the one you assumed it was.
You also completely failed to see his point, and it wasn't the one you assumed it was.
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Exactly what happened to me with the onset of GW1.
Except it was 0200hrs knock on the door by the RAFP to inform to pack my bags (pack what exactly?) and report to PSF at 0400hrs then onwards to Innsworth....to wait.
Eventually arrived in theatre...much later.
He didn't have no notice.... Read the op's comments he knew he was going. It has come as no surprise to him at all. He hasn't been dikced to go he is peeved he has courses to do in stead of spending time with his family. In fact he is going away later than he should have been as he should have gone nov last year IIRC.