Shed some light please buddy
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Shed some light please buddy
Sudafed has pseudoephpedrine in it - which according to the above poster is now not allowed in a CDT. However, I really doubt that the military will kick out personnel for taking a common over the counter remedy such as sudafed. My personal feel is that the substances they have now listed are taking the aspect of CDT a stage too far.
If this is to be the case then there has to be a far more rigourous and informative information chain - basically individuals need a bit more education on what is banned or not. Whilst the easy answer is to just state not to take supplements, there is a proven link between legal supplementation and training/competition performance affect so why should our personnel get thrown out of the Service for wanting to train hard! - the key is ensuring that our personnel are educated on what is ok and what is not.
If this is to be the case then there has to be a far more rigourous and informative information chain - basically individuals need a bit more education on what is banned or not. Whilst the easy answer is to just state not to take supplements, there is a proven link between legal supplementation and training/competition performance affect so why should our personnel get thrown out of the Service for wanting to train hard! - the key is ensuring that our personnel are educated on what is ok and what is not.
You are asked if you have taken any prescribed drugs.....and if you have refer medical docs are entered onto the paperwork.
You are then asked if you have taken any non prescribed drugs and offered the paperwork for you to fill in what you have taken.
Now if you enter Sudafed and the LGC pick this up it would probably get reported. However, as you have declared the amount and the time of taking the whizz kids in the lab can tell if it came from a bona fide source or not.
Anyway the Pseudoephedrine in Sudafed has been replaced by another decongestants called Phenylephrine.
Pseudoephedrine The active ingredient (as the hydrochloride salt) of the original Sudafed. In the UK, this is now sold under the name "Sudafed Decongestant".
Phenylephrine (hydrochloride) These products are sold as alternatives to pseudoephedrine formulations. In the United Kingdom, formulations containing phenylephrine are sold under various names (Sudafed Blocked Nose capsules, Sudafed Blocked Nose & Sinus capsules, Sudafed Mucus Relief Triple Action Cold & Flu tablets, Sudafed Sinus Pressure & Pain tablets, and Sudafed Day & Night capsules). In other countries the name "Sudafed PE" is used.
In the United Kingdom, "Sudafed Decongestant" containing 60 mg of pseudoephedrine hydrochloride per tablet is available in packs of 12 tablets from pharmacies and is classified as a Pharmacy Only Medication ("[P]"), (Ref Med Docs) so any sale follows a series of questions from the pharmacist to determine if it is safe. Historically, packs of 24 tablets were also available, but the maximum pack size for OTC sales was reduced to 12 tablets as a measure to counteract misuse.
The version that contains phenylephrine is not restricted and may be purchased off the shelf from supermarkets and other stores.
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Mr SCJ - nice copy from Wiki there - the worlds most reliable database 
DT_Xtremez_42:
Having just bought some sudafed over the counter in Boots I wasnt asked any questions at all. Now if I was Mr ordinary and didnt know a little bit more about supplementation I would be none the wiser that I was taking a substance that could get me in hot poop. And quite probably I wouldnt even think about telling the CDT bods - after all i didnt need a Doctor to get it and I didnt buy it in a pub or from some dodgy looking bloke in a pimped up black mercedes; the Pharamcist didnt quiz me so it would be fair to say that I am not totally to blame.
The key, which you may have missed is education. UK Sport invests 100's of thousands of £ in educating sports people on the risks of taking supplementation. It looks like that the military are starting to go down that route - so where is the education on it. Until I had seen the post above I had no idea that it was being looked at!! The onus of responsibility, at the moment, rests with the Service to educate.
Just imagine the headline - Typhoon Pilot kicked out of RAF for taking nasal decongestant!! £5M in training wasted for a £1 packet that helped him/her with a simple cold
DT_Xtremez_42:Having just bought some sudafed over the counter in Boots I wasnt asked any questions at all. Now if I was Mr ordinary and didnt know a little bit more about supplementation I would be none the wiser that I was taking a substance that could get me in hot poop. And quite probably I wouldnt even think about telling the CDT bods - after all i didnt need a Doctor to get it and I didnt buy it in a pub or from some dodgy looking bloke in a pimped up black mercedes; the Pharamcist didnt quiz me so it would be fair to say that I am not totally to blame.
The key, which you may have missed is education. UK Sport invests 100's of thousands of £ in educating sports people on the risks of taking supplementation. It looks like that the military are starting to go down that route - so where is the education on it. Until I had seen the post above I had no idea that it was being looked at!! The onus of responsibility, at the moment, rests with the Service to educate.
Just imagine the headline - Typhoon Pilot kicked out of RAF for taking nasal decongestant!! £5M in training wasted for a £1 packet that helped him/her with a simple cold
Yes I did cut from wikki due to the fact that the information is there in one place and easy for simpletons to understand. Searching the net you would find the same.
There are two sorts you can get and its up to the user to ensure its not on the banned list and if you are not sure don't take it simple. Professional athletes have been banned for using over the counter decongestants for some time now, so therefore user beware.
Mr SCJ
There are two sorts you can get and its up to the user to ensure its not on the banned list and if you are not sure don't take it simple. Professional athletes have been banned for using over the counter decongestants for some time now, so therefore user beware.
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That big old world outside is gonna hold a whole load of surprises for you.
There`s plenty of civilian firms that randomly drugs test, and if you haven`t told `em about any concealing agents you may have taken, then its goodnight Vienna.
With a lack of money around I cant believe the forces are wasting money on expensive CDT'S. The old cheap CDT only tested for Weed, Cocaine and alcohol I believe which is plenty.
As I was reading on another military forum it's bonkers to think you can smoke in the forces but can't take steroids. The forces are punishing people for wanting to be fitter, stronger and superior serviceman/superior soldiers! For making themselves better!
That's my idelogy anyway.
In comming!!!!!
As I was reading on another military forum it's bonkers to think you can smoke in the forces but can't take steroids. The forces are punishing people for wanting to be fitter, stronger and superior serviceman/superior soldiers! For making themselves better!
That's my idelogy anyway.
In comming!!!!!
chiprafp
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There are many damaging side effects associated with anabolic steroid use but the main one I think the Armed forces are concerned with is probably this:
A 2005 review in CNS Drugs determined that "significant psychiatric symptoms including aggression and violence, mania, and less frequently psychosis and suicide have been associated with steroid abuse.
Not really the sort of behaviour you want people who are armed displaying! Going by your posts on this subject so far are you on something when you type?
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A 2005 review in CNS Drugs determined that "significant psychiatric symptoms including aggression and violence, mania, and less frequently psychosis and suicide have been associated with steroid abuse.
Not really the sort of behaviour you want people who are armed displaying! Going by your posts on this subject so far are you on something when you type?
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Aircrew arent allowed to self medicate.
Just thought I would throw that in
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It very much depends on what steroid/supplement and what dose you are on. That roid rage thing is abit of a myth. I've never done roids but know many who do, I take protein and tribulus and sometimes creatine myself. I work with an ex marine who state's it was common practise in his day 12 years ago, I dare say knowing how pc everything is now this is a thing of the past.
It's a sensitive subject. You will always get those who just dismiss it out right as drug taking and that's it. I know some good guys in some of our emergency services who use Gear and are very serious about their training. Does that make them a bad person? Is it the same as a heroin addict? No it doesn't and no it is not!
It does not bother me either way, I don't do them and Im not in the forces so I have no reason to justify it. I know in depth CDT'S are very expensive.
It's a sensitive subject. You will always get those who just dismiss it out right as drug taking and that's it. I know some good guys in some of our emergency services who use Gear and are very serious about their training. Does that make them a bad person? Is it the same as a heroin addict? No it doesn't and no it is not!
It does not bother me either way, I don't do them and Im not in the forces so I have no reason to justify it. I know in depth CDT'S are very expensive.
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2 words.....Raul Moat.
It couldnt have been he was just a mental?
chiprafp
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To be honest I would rather place my trust in the numerous scientific studies on the subject than some bloke on an internet forum who keeps saying he 'knows people', 'i believe' or 'i thought'. Each to their own though, you are clearly pro drugs but luckily not in the forces so not really a concern.
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Don't steroids make your bollox fall off?
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No bollox and big t1ts? Bugger that, I'll stick to alcohol.:drunk:
Your the one making claims of breast tissue and roid rage based on what you've read or heard down the pub. Dont be so naive to think there are not people in the Forces today using gear at some time or another.
I've read some of the studies of which you talk as it's a subject I'm interested in. You say Im pro drugs well I would argue you are on the narrow minded side of the fence and class it as a drug and thats it, end of. You put it in the same class as heroin or cocaine or whatever perhaps?
It's not an offence to possess steroids for personal use in the UK.
Who cares, its each to their own and I wouldnt knock anyone either way. Whether they choose to take gear or not I dont judge.
My last post on a sensitive subject.
Ice
I've read some of the studies of which you talk as it's a subject I'm interested in. You say Im pro drugs well I would argue you are on the narrow minded side of the fence and class it as a drug and thats it, end of. You put it in the same class as heroin or cocaine or whatever perhaps?
It's not an offence to possess steroids for personal use in the UK.
Who cares, its each to their own and I wouldnt knock anyone either way. Whether they choose to take gear or not I dont judge.
My last post on a sensitive subject.
Ice
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Nothing wrong with Steak, eggs, pasta and hard work.