Agree entirely with MWD, had a guy in situation where if he went OOA would have been an admin burden due to family issues. I got all the facts and went to the Chief Clerk and discussed it. He asked me to put it all in an e mail and he would support it, within 2 hours of sending the e mail the guy was off the OOA (the guy is not a skiver either). May not resolve your situation entirely, but could give you some breathing space. Good luck
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bigtexo
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Cheers everyone, my sqn/admin have known for the last 6 weeks that my ooa is never going to happen (i've been telling them) but they have done nothing about finding a replacement at all.
My boss and little boss have not been what I would have hoped them to be and and ordered me to start my preps, fortunatley I didn't get passed the first page (admin burden). Now they want me to get pt p/w put together to move the ooa. Again its easy for me to get the p/w to them its a shame my wife has to go through the whole process again to get letters written (which the dr's/phyics have no problem with) and put a huge amount of stress and strain on her.
Its a farce, if I had no ooa i would be out by now, but its a bum on a flight that they want. I could understand if it was afghan, maybe they could say I was war dodging but Mussanha, its a bloody holiday camp ( I know a few out there at the minute).
Off to phone saafa this morning, will let you know what they say!
My boss and little boss have not been what I would have hoped them to be and and ordered me to start my preps, fortunatley I didn't get passed the first page (admin burden). Now they want me to get pt p/w put together to move the ooa. Again its easy for me to get the p/w to them its a shame my wife has to go through the whole process again to get letters written (which the dr's/phyics have no problem with) and put a huge amount of stress and strain on her.
Its a farce, if I had no ooa i would be out by now, but its a bum on a flight that they want. I could understand if it was afghan, maybe they could say I was war dodging but Mussanha, its a bloody holiday camp ( I know a few out there at the minute).
Off to phone saafa this morning, will let you know what they say!
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Listen, do yourself a big favour - this website is really a electronic crewroom, full of the usual barrack room lawyers and cowboys and definteley no experts or health care professionals. Seek professional advice from the specialists and those that are employed on a variety of welfare duties that will gladly help you. Perhaps seeking out a pal at work or home and having a good rant with him/her may help, but do not use this forum to seek advice on what clearly is a very sensistive and stressful issue for you.
Good luck to you and your family, hope everything works out.
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MWD has given good advice, and as has been said, now we have the full story we can help.
Have you thought about applying for preferential treatment? A guy I worked with was posted very shortly after his wife had received treatment for a serious medical issue, one that required specialist care. He didn't want to take the posting as his wife realistically couldn't move as she wanted to stay with the same consultant. He got preferential treatment for a year until she got better. Obviously the posting was filled by someone else, it is now 4 years since he came off preferential treatment and he has not been posted since. This might give you some time whilst still in the mob (and getting a very important wage) to sort things out. You shouldn’t get pinged for any OOA’s etc.
Another option, have you spoken to your Dr/SMO about all the stress this is placing on you? Something along the lines of “I can just about cope with the seriousness of my wife but factoring in the OOA is just too much. If the OOA was cancelled I think I’ll be OK…” etc etc.
Have you thought about applying for preferential treatment? A guy I worked with was posted very shortly after his wife had received treatment for a serious medical issue, one that required specialist care. He didn't want to take the posting as his wife realistically couldn't move as she wanted to stay with the same consultant. He got preferential treatment for a year until she got better. Obviously the posting was filled by someone else, it is now 4 years since he came off preferential treatment and he has not been posted since. This might give you some time whilst still in the mob (and getting a very important wage) to sort things out. You shouldn’t get pinged for any OOA’s etc.
Another option, have you spoken to your Dr/SMO about all the stress this is placing on you? Something along the lines of “I can just about cope with the seriousness of my wife but factoring in the OOA is just too much. If the OOA was cancelled I think I’ll be OK…” etc etc.
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Yes, of course we don't have anyone involved in any of this type of work, we are all 'cowboys' and barrack room lawyers.
You know all of our 18,567 members personally do you?
I agree that this kind of case should go through official channels, but sometimes you can get a lot of good gen on E-Goat, so don't be so matter-of-fact and dismissive.
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This stuff MUST go through the proper channels and you will get the right people to give you the right gen, simple as that. No need to get on your high horse !
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Casework will make a decision based on your ability to fulfil your Service Need based on your wife's condition and the support available to her. Nothwithstanding that you clearly want to be able to support her, and reading between the lines, by your own admission you can no longer fulfil your Service commitments. Therefore the time has come to go onto JPA and hit that Early Termination button. You won't get any more/less benefits by Early Terminating or by going for the Compassionate Discharge. Go for an exit date iaw your Minimum Waiting Time and then tackle the OOA. What the Service is guarding against is you being removed from your OOA only for the problem to arise again in another 12 months time. With no RAF stations near your wife, there isn't even any point trying to go for Preferential Treatment to move you closer to home. Include full details in your Early Termination application and I think the Service will take the pragmatic decision to approve your Early Termination and remove you from your OOA.
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bigtexo
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I am not really a forum based person I.e. writing in them but I do read them a lot so I can only apologise to some people about getting a monk on about certain peoples comments, however I am now filtering the crap and listening to the genuine helpful responses.
At the moment I feel that doors are being kept closed on me and regardless of what I am trying to say to my work they are just not listening, why would they ever even contemplate me going away when I have put pt p/w in! In my eyes the set should have been deferred if not totally binned.
You are right, I can't fulfill my commitment anymore, and after 10 years of good service should this all be all forgotten about, I might have signed a contract with the air force but when I married my 10 years ago I signed a contract there too.
At the moment I feel that doors are being kept closed on me and regardless of what I am trying to say to my work they are just not listening, why would they ever even contemplate me going away when I have put pt p/w in! In my eyes the set should have been deferred if not totally binned.
You are right, I can't fulfill my commitment anymore, and after 10 years of good service should this all be all forgotten about, I might have signed a contract with the air force but when I married my 10 years ago I signed a contract there too.
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So you now have 2 contracts. Which one are you prepared to honour more. If you were in civvy street and the company asked you to do a job away from home, what would your response be.
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You could counter that by the question. Which contract would honour you more?
OP, your posts seem somewhat contradictory, you seem to be extremely eager to get out of the RAF ASAP, but yet you chose to ignore your quickest option in favour of what could be a prolonged and admin intensive process; you have your reasons for this, but it’s time to ask what your priorities are. You need to pull that black and yellow handle mate; you can't have your cake and eat it especially where your wife is concerned. If you're really serious about getting out sooner rather than later, then your best option(at this point) is PVR. As has already been alluded to, PVR then tackle your OOA. Some battles are worth fighting, it would appear trying to get a compassionate discharge over a PVR isn't one of those battles; certainly were your wife is concerned.
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bigtexo
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clearly my family, without your family what's the point in life? Thats my perspective on it, maybe yours is behind a desk, maybe its living for the moment, maybe its running around the streets naked. Civvy job/military job/being a director of company there all the same to me.
And response to the civvy company would hopefully be an amicable one or they can stick it!
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bigtexo
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i have tried to pvr, but the last time I was in work they would not allow it due to the ooa.
My cake is carrot cake and I will eat it
I would need to double check, but I'm sure you can PVR even if you are DWR'd. You just can't use the PVR as means to get out of an OOA; but for you the OOA is a seperate issue to your PVR as you are not PVR'ing to get out of an OOA. Double check with you Chf Clk on that one. I've signed off on PVRs before for people who were going OOA and they were fully aware that would still be required to honour their OOA.
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They cannot stop you PVRing, they can refuse the exit date you had selected due to the OOA but they cannot simply say, no you are not allowed to PVR.
Go and see somebody in authority you trust. If you feel nobody in your immediate CoC will or can do anything then go see the Chief Clerk. Get the PVR in as a must, I would also be wanting my date that it was put in, as being the first date I tried if it was illegally refused.
It sounds like you need somebody with a bit of clout onside to be honest mate, it is all well and good people writing letters saying they would approve a compassionate, but you need somebody with balls to start thumping desks.
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well you need to pvr, obviously you didn't like tge answer you were given. Maybe if you'd have been more honest with the forum from the start instead of dropping the bit about ooa in the middle of the debate people would have been more inclined to help you.
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