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Kryten said:
I see MacDonalds have announced they are going to close all of their UK restaurants (LINK)

To quote Han Solo, "One thing's for sure, we're all going to be a lot thinner".....
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If Burger King and all the other fast food places follow suit we will see the end of days. Suddenly hundreds of thousands of millennials will have to figure out how to cook food. The results could be disastrous!
 
busby1971 said:
Personally I’m finding the panic buying to be quite specific, some things just aren’t Available unless you queue, or work at the supermarket, surprised Tesco allow their staff to take things straight out the back room to the till (Toilet roll anyone)

Anyway today’s social distancing task was taking the dyson to bits and giving it a good cleaning, whats your time filler been?
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having seen the conditions the staff on the checkouts are working under I would not mind them having first dibs in moderation. I bet plenty of raf supply and techies are not short of sanitiser or latex gloves........ perks of the job.
 
Walked round to my local Lidl for some exercise, stood in the queue. There wasYellow tape on the floor, you g girl behind me either couldn't be arsed staying at yellow tape when I moved forward or just plain thick. What is it with these people.

The McDonald's was queued right up to the main road.

Utter madness.
 
Just been for a walk to our local shops, and neither had any toilet roll until Tesco had a delivery just as we were about to leave, as the Tesco guy was putting them out a fella grabbed three of them (16 pack) and was soon berated and told to take only one so others could have some, he was not happysuch selfish people who these days only think for themselves.
 
I had a similar experience last week. I think the smaller shops are able to stock (and control stock) easier than the bigger stores. They even had a one of each item policy and not a trolley in sight!
 
Billy Whizz said:
I had a similar experience last week. I think the smaller shops are able to stock (and control stock) easier than the bigger stores. They even had a one of each item policy and not a trolley in sight!
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Maybe that's the answer for the supermarkets? Lock up all the trolleys - if you can't carry it in one basket then you can't have it.......
 
Some observations for those that doubt the path we are on.

First of all whilst this is the biggest and most serious single issue to hit mankind in our lifetimes (to date and probably will be the only thing for a lot of us) its also interesting to watch how its being managed...

I think a great deal of thought has been put into the pace in which guidance and constraints are being issued...to preserve order and to go easy on people's mental health.

Some very clever people have done some serious social profiling to get this sequence and activities under way:

1. First of all we had bags of media coverage of a growing concern. Lots of simple tasks are advised like hand washing and staying away from people but its only guidance...Don't want to panic people, some will do it, seed is sown that something is going on that is serious.

2. Pre-empted in some areas by their own governing bodies, sport begins to cancel. This further sends a message to sectors of society that don't like to be told what to do by 'a suit' from the Government...This is starting to dawn on more people but its accompanied by precautionary advice about hygiene and keeping away from others, especially the vulnerable now. More of society start to take notice and more start to think about what might happen if it goes the same way on TV as we are now seeing in other countries with restrictions. Panic-buying was expected but caught out the retail sector a bit...Not to worry...this further sets off alarm bells in society that they need to start thinking about this. New stories around ventilators and number of staff and beds to be available also get a message across.

3. Words around 12 week lock downs for the vulnerable come out. Schools are starting to ask why they aren't closed down. This focuses 'most' parents. Government still not coming down hard with any constraints but the subliminal message is getting out there through all the above. Opposition starts to call for stronger Government responses but they are following a rehearsed (in simulation) plan to not cause a stampede of out-feeling from heavy-handedness. Still no restrictions on travel other than guidance to not do it. Keep 2m apart advised.

4. Schools closed, non-essential travel advised against. Social distancing advised along with sterner message that if you don't you are going to, perhaps, cause someone to die. No guidance on what specifically is classed as 'non-essential' and I think this is part of the plan. Government and PHE want us to make the next move easier for them and the weather to help them has just arrived.

5. Pubs are told to shut. This steps up the ante as the pub is sacrosanct to many. The Gov know, despite a request to not go out that night and the pubs to shut they'll flaunt it...many operating a side door policy into the weekend to get rid of stock...this is part of the plan. Suns out and the predicted attitude by some is 'the kids are on early holiday, lets get out of the city for a break while we can', ignoring the guidance, interpreting the non-essential travel to mean what they need it to. Many flock in large groups to National Parks and the Coast, trying to find places open with resentment from scared locals building. Again this helps out the next part of the plan.

6. We've played our part in the plan. A sufficient part of society flaunted the rules enough, supported by ever increasing numbers of infection (all of it required in a controlled manner to get some of us through the virus, earning an unknown as yet amount of immunity) for the Gov to be in a position to sanction society based on its own behaviour. It comes across much better if we can blame it on a sector of society rather than Boris...no one likes to be told off for no reason (we gave it to them on a plate) by a Toff. It has also got a bit of the old 'internal back lash' going on. Who remembers the w@nker on parade at any training establishment who turned up without his gloves on a cold morning.?The DI makes he sure he doesn't do it again by making all of us take our gloves off and get cold hands...and we all made sure that person knew what he'd done. This has now happened in our society...On Facebook if you dare to say 'think I'll go and isolate in my caravan in Cornwall' you get threats to your life....drastic but a great behaviour shaper! Boris has achieved lock-down with valid reasons...faultless.

7. This hasn't ended. This 'lock-down' is lock-down lite. We can still go for runs or cycle rides but on our own (some won't, they'll go out in groups), we can still go to the shops in a minimal manner (some won't...Some can't help but go to multiple shops throughout the day for bits and bobs), we can still go to work if its classed as 'essential' (I watched Facebook light up at 20:45 last night with every SE person trying to justify that they were essential...missing the whole health before wealth part of Bo-jo's message). Next we will see social media helping to dob in flaunters, police reporting in that they are being run ragged breaking up groups of youths still hanging around in parks etc at night. I believe its still part of the plan...we are reducing our movements out there and with every twist of the knot by the government, they will socially and legally isolate those few left who still, when all the constraints are rolled out, still refuse to get on the team.
 
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Wise words Vim. There will always be a certain amount of people in our society who are dumber than soup and don't understand that the rules apply to them as well.I played my part this morning. I went for my permitted walk, avoiding all other humans. I did try to get hold of some more 'essentials', little things like eggs and milk but sadly the shops in my local area haven't seen a delivery on over a week so the shelves were still bare. Robust supply chain my arse.
 
Vim_Fuego said:
Some observations for those that doubt the path we are on.

First of all whilst this is the biggest and most serious single issue to hit mankind in our lifetimes (to date and probably will be the only thing for a lot of us) its also interesting to watch how its being managed...

I think a great deal of thought has been put into the pace in which guidance and constraints are being issued...to preserve order and to go easy on people's mental health.

Some very clever people have done some serious social profiling to get this sequence and activities under way:

1. First of all we had bags of media coverage of a growing concern. Lots of simple tasks are advised like hand washing and staying away from people but its only guidance...Don't want to panic people, some will do it, seed is sown that something is going on that is serious.

2. Pre-empted in some areas by their own governing bodies, sport begins to cancel. This further sends a message to sectors of society that don't like to be told what to do by 'a suit' from the Government...This is starting to dawn on more people but its accompanied by precautionary advice about hygiene and keeping away from others, especially the vulnerable now. More of society start to take notice and more start to think about what might happen if it goes the same way on TV as we are now seeing in other countries with restrictions. Panic-buying was expected but caught out the retail sector a bit...Not to worry...this further sets off alarm bells in society that they need to start thinking about this. New stories around ventilators and number of staff and beds to be available also get a message across.

3. Words around 12 week lock downs for the vulnerable come out. Schools are starting to ask why they aren't closed down. This focuses 'most' parents. Government still not coming down hard with any constraints but the subliminal message is getting out there through all the above. Opposition starts to call for stronger Government responses but they are following a rehearsed (in simulation) plan to not cause a stampede of out-feeling from heavy-handedness. Still no restrictions on travel other than guidance to not do it. Keep 2m apart advised.

4. Schools closed, non-essential travel advised against. Social distancing advised along with sterner message that if you don't you are going to, perhaps, cause someone to die. No guidance on what specifically is classed as 'non-essential' and I think this is part of the plan. Government and PHE want us to make the next move easier for them and the weather to help them has just arrived.

5. Pubs are told to shut. This steps up the ante as the pub is sacrosanct to many. The Gov know, despite a request to not go out that night and the pubs to shut they'll flaunt it...many operating a side door policy into the weekend to get rid of stock...this is part of the plan. Suns out and the predicted attitude by some is 'the kids are on early holiday, lets get out of the city for a break while we can', ignoring the guidance, interpreting the non-essential travel to mean what they need it to. Many flock in large groups to National Parks and the Coast, trying to find places open with resentment from scared locals building. Again this helps out the next part of the plan.

6. We've played our part in the plan. A sufficient part of society flaunted the rules enough, supported by ever increasing numbers of infection (all of it required in a controlled manner to get some of us through the virus, earning an unknown as yet amount of immunity) for the Gov to be in a position to sanction society based on its own behaviour. It comes across much better if we can blame it on a sector of society rather than Boris...no one likes to be told off for no reason (we gave it to them on a plate) by a Toff. It has also got a bit of the old 'internal back lash' going on. Who remembers the w@nker on parade at any training establishment who turned up without his gloves on a cold morning.?The DI makes he sure he doesn't do it again by making all of us take our gloves off and get cold hands...and we all made sure that person knew what he'd done. This has now happened in our society...On Facebook if you dare to say 'think I'll go and isolate in my caravan in Cornwall' you get threats to your life....drastic but a great behaviour shaper! Boris has achieved lock-down with valid reasons...faultless.

7. This hasn't ended. This 'lock-down' is lock-down lite. We can still go for runs or cycle rides but on our own (some won't), we can still go to the shops in a minimal manner (some won't...they can't help but go to multiple shops throughout the day for bits and bobs), we can still go to work if its classed as 'essential' (I watched Facebook light up at 2045 last night with every SE person trying to justify that they were essential...missing the whole health before wealth part of Bo-jo's message). Next we will see social media helping to dob in flaunters, police reporting in that they are being run ragged breaking up groups of youths still hanging around in parks etc at night. I believe its still part of the plan...we are reducing our movements out there and with every twist of the knot by the government they will socially and legally isolate those few left who still, when all the constraints are rolled out, still refuse to get on the team.
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7point plan of what's happened.
If you want credit, tell us what 8,9, and 10 are.
 
Rocket_Ronster said:
7point plan of what's happened.
If you want credit, tell us what 8,9, and 10 are.
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I'll have a go for you...Looking back at the track we are taking and realising the way its being delivered will tell us where we go next.

The bit I don't get yet and this makes me unsure of next steps a little is mapping the infection rate. We aren't testing enough so how do we know how bad it is? They are only testing those that present ill enough to rate a visit to hospital (on the whole). The BBC have a tool where you can type your county postcode in and see how many confirmed cases there are in that area. Mine says 25 right now. I know of 9 in two families incl 2 in mine (wife, youngest child) in just one town! Putting out a number to text (free) with your postcode, house number and number of people you think have it would provide fantastic intelligence (fudge factor applied for those that are mistaken and actually its some other form of virus). Least then, with an army of data inputters, you'd be getting a real-time'ish picture, where its worst and also where its not really spreading (outside of London).

Where next? Already this morning the roads, whilst quieter, are still busy with vans/tradesmen who feel they have no choice but to work. I think a package has to be defined that gives them the 80% compensation that PAYE people are getting. Get that lot home and safe and you significantly reduce the candidates for infection. I think that's a couple of days off being released from what I hear. I have just been told minutes ago that the police are pulling over builders vans here in my town and if the job you quote isn;t life and death they are being sent home

Shopping (including takeaways)- Still seen as a loophole for a trip out. Two things will influence this...

1. Too high a percentage of people will flaunt it as an excuse to get out of the house when they really could have not gone shopping for a number of days. Its in our behavioural blueprint that if we are bored, p1ssed off, happy, flush with funds etc that we go out to the shops if we have nothing else better to do. Shops will be asked to provide evidence of footfall and concentrations as shops and supermarkets become the last real place for mass-infection, especially if the supply chain doesn't catch up and shelves remain challenged. Mazlow's fifth hierarchy of needs states that we, in times of fright and plight, we run to the basics of food, warmth and shelter above all else and keeping an Armageddon level of food in the cupboard becomes obsessional...especially if we extend the lock-down period.

2. Death rate - We still aren't sufficiently spooked enough yet as a nation...see last weekends antics out and about as evidence. When the death rate picks up a pace and it affects people in your societal lineage then it becomes a reality. Right now reading about 'Fred Bloggs, 87 with underlying health issues' who snuffed it in a town you've never heard of doesn't mean anything to most...probably even rationalise it with 'good innings' or 'he was very ill with other things anyway' comments. Once we broach in 4 figures and beyond it should tie people down more.

Once we have proven that we can't stay in because temptation is too much the permissions to stay trading on takeaways will be withdrawn. People queuing for chips and kebabs reported last night in our town...that's going to go within the week. Not sure how we restrict shopping except by some sort of entry card that can be stamped and you only get a couple of visits a week...that will cause trouble so lets hope we don't get to that. I am really hoping that 2. above starts to affect our behaviour (and peer pressure on the flaunters via social media) before such measures kick in...It must be remembered that some infection is required to get us through this and off restrictions...just not too much to swamp the NHS.

Rights to exercise - will go within a couple of weeks I think. We will go down to only going outside into your garden to let the dog have sh1t etc. If you don't have a garden but do have a dog expect lots of sh1t flinging to go on!

We will end up on just being able to shop for food from some shops and nothing else with heavy fines and confinement if you don't get behind this. We may even see movable/temporary roadblocks at some junctions where motorists will have to justify the journey. Anything to further increase the fear factor of either monetary deprivation, loss of freedom or, ultimately, causing the death of themselves, their family/friends or a vulnerable stranger to sufficient levels to make people stay in.
 
Have you got a link to this BBC Tool please because I can't find owt ?
 
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