Cpl-Sgt Prom Board 2014

[monkeysm8]

I feel sorry for those who really are pushing for it and doing all.the good.stuff.but.keep getting knocked back. Personally,I am content with where I am it's less stressful

 

[Dilbert]

flower pot hall is a retirement home for Cpls love that folk think it's a promotion haven.

Lol... that made I larf....

And as everyone knows... the mighty 90 is the hotbed of TG4 promotion...

And for all you knowlegeable ones out there, unless you've done a board, you aren't really qualified to talk about the inner workings. The difference between one candidate and another can be as thick as a fag paper. Previous posters have highlighted the need for examples, short punchy sentences etc etc etc.

Check out the matrix that the pre-boarders and the board use to provide feedback - it's available on the intranet via the CAOS Gapping site (ACOS Manning/Promotions/Promotion Boards/Promotion Board Brief) page 33 of 39. This is what the board use to provide feedback to the A candidates (and any B's who are read).

The previous mention that an A grade from the pre-board does not do you any good is a bit naive. This is the only way that you are guaranteed that your appraisals will be read - be pre-boarded as an A grade. I am more worried that the pre-boarding process is now done by one person. I would guess if your surname is halfway through the alphabet you're probably disadvantaged... who would fancy reading all those appraisals...

I wonder if I could submit a FoI request finding out if all the promotees are surnames from A-G.....

DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[4everAD]

I really hope you are Trolling with this.

If not, Thank Christ I am leaving an organisation that lets people like you influence other peoples careers.stfu

(FYI, B grade after 22+ years, Nothing less than High Recs in the last 10, Not been told to improve in any way for the last 6 years...... NVM, I'm looking forward to starting my new career!)

Spamout DT_Xtremez_14:

No not trolling at all, simply stating that most people who complain about their sjar should read it and take note of what it says or more importantly what it doesn't say. If it says you're good at something why doesn't it say your excellent at it? 10 years of high RECs, have you had career interviews where you sjars have been perused by an admin type bod? If so they should have pointed out why those sjars weren't getting you what you wanted. As has been said this system relies a lot on your 1st ro having a clue about sjar writing. I stand by my previous that my guys get the sjar their efforts deserve and debriefed on where they need to improve what the hell is wrong with that?

 

[Dilbert]

No not trolling at all, simply stating that most people who complain about their sjar should read it and take note of what it says or more importantly what it doesn't say. If it says you're good at something why doesn't it say your excellent at it? 10 years of high RECs, have you had career interviews where you sjars have been perused by an admin type bod? If so they should have pointed out why those sjars weren't getting you what you wanted. As has been said this system relies a lot on your 1st ro having a clue about sjar writing. I stand by my previous that my guys get the sjar their efforts deserve and debriefed on where they need to improve what the hell is wrong with that?

Surely you should be telling them areas for improvement during their MPAR... now mandatory written record, btw... as if there wasn't enough to do....

 

[E E E E E E E E AR]

I did the course this year - it's really most informative and in fact you do a dummy board (on my own TG6 coincidentally). It's amazing how easy it is for a report to be discarded as just a boring narrative of a nobody.

As has been said this system relies a lot on your 1st ro having a clue about sjar writing.

I think everyone should have the opportunity of going on the SJAR Writing course (not the influencing one), just so they can get a handle on the process. It was unbelievable to see what I though was decent report being torn to shreds, and more importantly, why.

If both you and your ROs don't know what the board are looking for, your report may look gleaming, but it's worthless.

 

[Max Reheat]

The previous mention that an A grade from the pre-board does not do you any good is a bit naive. This is the only way that you are guaranteed that your appraisals will be read - be pre-boarded as an A grade. I am more worried that the pre-boarding process is now done by one person. I would guess if your surname is halfway through the alphabet you're probably disadvantaged... who would fancy reading all those appraisals...

if you're referring to my comment regarding A grades I was on about A grades in performance, not where the pre boarders place you. If the board member sees a line of straight A's then he expects the sun to shine out of your ar$e. If the narrative doesn't match he will immediately think 'over assessed'

 

[Barch]

if you're referring to my comment regarding A grades I was on about A grades in performance, not where the pre boarders place you. If the board member sees a line of straight A's then he expects the sun to shine out of your ar$e. If the narrative doesn't match he will immediately think 'over assessed'

And that is where the F6442 had got it bang on eg ...

Cpl to Sgt

88 or more points over last 4 years.

Spec Rec or High Rec (to match this year's points score).

Narrative to match the recommendation.

Then Extra Curricular Activities.

 

[4everAD]

Surely you should be telling them areas for improvement during their MPAR... now mandatory written record, btw... as if there wasn't enough to do....

Yes I do, and I agree that mpars are important but unfortunately all to often the advice given is ignored and people revert to type, you can lead a horse to water......

 

[GrumpyTech]

Not presented

Not presented

Spammy. Did you find out why you weren't presented to the board? Where you a U grade? That harsh!!
if your a B grade you where presented to the Pre-board??? I would be asking lots of question if a U grade...
as you've been vocal on here for a while about promotion I am wondering what went wrong? You didn't do anything g daft like rant To a 1* or fill in the suicide box on sjar???

Not presented to the board. No surprises at all, I am taking my 23 years experience and getting a decent, rewarding job that will not treat me like a piece of crap.

So Long Folks!

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Spamout!stfu

 

[4everAD]

I may have ranted but never at anyone above the rank of FS.

I know for a fact that some people hold the way I reacted after the last promotion board, (Loosing my rag and Going off sick with stress), against me. I am pretty sure I will never be forgiven despite all the work I have done which benefits The Trade / The School and the Royal Air force. I am asking questions at the minute and Others are asking questions on my behalf but to tell you the honest truth, I have had enough of all the Bull**** that comes from the Royal Air Force and cannot wait until I leave. (This is not hyperbole... if they let me have my pension tomorrow I walk away without a seconds hesitation, I have already done more than 22 years in the RAF and I feel I owe it NOTHING!)

I wont be making anymore comments on this as I can feel myself getting wound up typing!

So you slag me off for being a bad 1st RO then come out with a comment like this. It took me 20 years to get my 3rd I went through pretty much most of the emotions you've probably been through but kept at it and for me it worked out. I'm sorry things haven't worked out the way you wanted but throwing baseless accusations at people for your misfortune doesn't do it for me.:raf:

 

[TG3 TILL I DIE!!!!]

If your happy to walk, why bother asking questions? We all have to accept when are time is up and the way the trade and the wider RAF is now the very near future is looking good to me

 

[GrumpyTech]

On topic

On topic

Back OT the folk I know who have came in quota this year have all done at least 2 tours as a cpl. So looking good for experience winning this year. Well done to all that have got it. It's getting harder each year to shine...

 

[commsordeath]

Back OT the folk I know who have came in quota this year have all done at least 2 tours as a cpl. So looking good for experience winning this year. Well done to all that have got it. It's getting harder each year to shine...

8 years a Cpl (total 20 years in) and as mentioned in my previous post, went from 73 (a grade) to a B+ this year (and had my AOC's in this years SJAR).

Three years to go so realistically next year is my last real attempt at being massively disappointed come promotion time - I know that the RAF doesn't owe me my 3rd or anything, but it is a real kick in the teeth to drop down in promotion recommendation as I have - I'm booked for a "careers" brief at the end of the month so hopefully that can shed some light as to what more I've got to do to

 

[chumpzilla]

Acting up has helped

Acting up has helped

I know (personally) 2 peeps who did acting for a considerable amount of time (4-6 months) and they came off 3 and 5.

Quick question, has anyone heard how many have been released immediately? I've heard they are after 25 this year...?

 

[miniboo]

Normally they do the first ten and move on from there

 

[chumpzilla]

Thanks miniboo for the estimate!

 

[hugo_a_go_go]

I know (personally) 2 peeps who did acting for a considerable amount of time (4-6 months) and they came off 3 and 5.

Quick question, has anyone heard how many have been released immediately? I've heard they are after 25 this year...?

It's a shame for people who dont get an opportunity to act at the next rank due to their job/role/command structure....does it descriminate them?



Isn't it now 18?

 

[Bruce76]

The egos on here astound me. Emotional maturity lacking from some. Some perspective would be useful.

 

[delboy]

Having the chance of acting rank is a lottery in itself. Many cases of acting rank are handed to people just because the post needs filling whilst the 1st TO is OOA etc. I've known Cpl's to get acting rank after less than 2 years seniority, are they really ready for promotion? Anyway my view is that 25 people out of circa 700 to be promoted is a joke, ok it's all down to service need but MANY people are currently pee'd off in the trade. Here's how I see it.....I work in careers atm and only 20% of the ITT (into training targets) have been met so far this year, NO ONE IS JOINING AS AN ICT TECHNICIAN!!!....this can only mean that SAC's won't get their tapes as there is no back fill through Cosford, I honestly think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[chumpzilla]

It's a shame for people who dont get an opportunity to act at the next rank due to their job/role/command structure....does it descriminate them?



Isn't it now 18?

I agree that it is a shame. But it's an opportunity that should be taken with both hands and shouldn't be dished out lightly...

Where did you get the revised figure from?