Fans behaviour at Major games

[grumpyoldb]

""The drinking laws in England are far more liberal that in Scotland (ban on public drinking), and you cannot drink at football grounds at all.""

As I said, maybe we should follow scotlands example and ban drinking.
After all, scotland clearly knows the problems when scots drink, otherwise, scotland would not ban drinking.

.................and an old scottish line...................
Maybe you should take more water with it.DT_Xtremez_31:

 

[mememe]

""The drinking laws in England are far more liberal that in Scotland (ban on public drinking), and you cannot drink at football grounds at all.""

As I said, maybe we should follow scotlands example and ban drinking.
After all, scotland clearly knows the problems when scots drink, otherwise, scotland would not ban drinking.

.................and an old scottish line...................
Maybe you should take more water with it.DT_Xtremez_31:

Grumps, There are representations being made in Scotland to allow drinking at the games now. Their rationale is, that you can go to a concert on a friday night at a footy stadium then go and watch your team on a Saturday at the same place and not get a beer. I wonder if it will ever happen?

 

[grumpyoldb]

Grumps, There are representations being made in Scotland to allow drinking at the games now. Their rationale is, that you can go to a concert on a friday night at a footy stadium then go and watch your team on a Saturday at the same place and not get a beer. I wonder if it will ever happen?

They don't seem to fight after a concert. They fight after the footy.
I still don't understand the mentality of 22 overpaid men chasing a bladderbag around the park.DT_Xtremez_42: DT_Xtremez_31:

There again, I play cricket..............andDT_Xtremez_31: whoDT_Xtremez_31: theDT_Xtremez_31: fcukDT_Xtremez_31: understandsDT_Xtremez_31: thatDT_Xtremez_31:

Have a nice weekend all.
The bar is open at grumpy towers.................DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Its a simple recipe:
Take a large number of Brits, although to be fair its usually us English, a nation increasingly boorish and loutish in its behaviour.
Add alcohol, the more the better. Us Brits have an immature attitude towards drink, we always have done and probably always will do.
The more Brits and the longer they have to p1ss it up the better because somewhere in the mix there are bound to be some t0sspots who will be unable to control themselves given the right stimulus.
Add a smattering of organisational incompetence.
And then find a 'spark'. It can be anything, a failed TV screen, a goal conceded, an overzealous cop, an opportunity to nip past security....and we have KICK OFF.

It could happen to any set of fans anywhere, let nobody kid themselves. That said, the more of them there are, the more exposure they have to alcohol and the more opportunities they have to misbehave and the more experienced they are at trying it on, the more likely they are to be involved in some sort of trouble.

 

[Tashy_Man]

I just hope that tomorrows FA Cup Final goes without incident...Cardiff has done a lot to improve it's image BUT there is still a hooligan element, I just hope they don't spoil the day.

Crack on...................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Dave-exfairy]

Why is it that cricket fans and rugby fans can get plastered at their games and not one fight erupts, but as soon as footie fans get drunk some take it into their heads to go on a rampage?
I've just seen the CCTV footage about the GMP Officer who got a hell of a kicking from some Rangers fans and quite frankly I felt sick, these people are cowards, take them on 1 V 1 and they's sh!t it, but they don't have the guts to do that.
Again I question why is there a distinct difference between football and rugby/cricket fans in Britain.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Again I question why is there a distinct difference between football and rugby/cricket fans in Britain.

Because football has a fanbase that is more, erm, down to earth at its heart i suppose.

I just hope that tomorrows FA Cup Final goes without incident...Cardiff has done a lot to improve it's image BUT there is still a hooligan element, I just hope they don't spoil the day.

As with a lot of clubs though TM, its surprising sometimes where it happens. I used to avoid Swindon town centre whenever Oxford Utd or, to a lesser extent, Reading came to town.
But a few Cardiff fans did kick-off after the Carling Cup tie at Anfield earlier this season. All very silly stuff and quite quickly quashed by the cops.

 

[Tashy_Man]

Just to prove that not all fans are hooligans and the services are absolutely brilliant check out the story HERE

Crack on...................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Dave-exfairy]

Because football has a fanbase that is more, erm, down to earth at its heart i suppose.

I don't think that's it though. With rugby and cricket you are brought up in the sport to respect the officials, respect the opposition, respect the opposing fans and honour the culture and past of the game, those who don't are very quickly put right or are ostracised.
I don't see those things in football, I will admit that it is a small percentage of football fans that cause trouble, but back in the 50's and earlier did you have this hooliganism in the game? I don't think you did, football hooliganism seems to be a relatively new thing.
I'll put my hands up and say that I don't like football and this comes directly from my experiences, i've been attacked at the few football games i've been to, but i've been able to walk down the road in Twickenham with thousands of English rugby fans and there's been nothing but good natured banter between Welsh fans and them.
I'm not tarring all footie fans with the same brush, but scenes like the other night do not do footballs cause any good, i'm expecting trouble to be reported from Moscow in the morning following the game between Man Utd and Chelsea.

 

[Albert Park]

I don't think that's it though. With rugby and cricket you are brought up in the sport to respect the officials, respect the opposition, respect the opposing fans and honour the culture and past of the game, those who don't are very quickly put right or are ostracised.
I don't see those things in football, I will admit that it is a small percentage of football fans that cause trouble, but back in the 50's and earlier did you have this hooliganism in the game? I don't think you did, football hooliganism seems to be a relatively new thing.
I'll put my hands up and say that I don't like football and this comes directly from my experiences, i've been attacked at the few football games i've been to, but i've been able to walk down the road in Twickenham with thousands of English rugby fans and there's been nothing but good natured banter between Welsh fans and them.
I'm not tarring all footie fans with the same brush, but scenes like the other night do not do footballs cause any good, i'm expecting trouble to be reported from Moscow in the morning following the game between Man Utd and Chelsea.

Any chance of you putting on another record?

 

[muttywhitedog]

We are discussing this as if it's an isolated incident but sadly British clubs have a poor record of behaviour at major european games going back decades..

The rioting in Manchester did not involve British football fans. They were Scottish.

 

[Downsizer]

I but back in the 50's and earlier did you have this hooliganism in the game? I don't think you did, football hooliganism seems to be a relatively new thing

Not quite...

Early history
Football and violence can be traced back to the Middle Ages in England. In 1314, Edward II banned football (which then was a violent free-for-all involving rival villages fly-hacking a pig's bladder across the local heath) because he believed the disorder surrounding matches might lead to social unrest or even treason.[3]
The first recorded instances of football hooliganism in the modern game took place in the 1880s in England, a period when gangs of supporters would intimidate neighbourhoods, as well as attack referees and opposing supporters and players. In 1885, after Preston North End beat Aston Villa 5-0 in a friendly match, the two teams were pelted with stones; attacked with sticks, punched, kicked and spat at. One Preston player was beaten so severely that he lost consciousness. Press reports of the time described the fans as "howling roughs".[3] The following year, Preston fans fought Queen's Park fans in a railway station; the first recorded instance of football hooliganism away from a match. In 1905, several Preston fans were tried for hooliganism, including a "drunk and disorderly" 70 year old woman, following their match against Blackburn Rovers.[3]
Between the two world wars, there were no recorded instance of football hooliganism, but it started attracting widespread media attention in the late 1950s due to its re-emergence in Latin America. In the 1955-56 English football season, Liverpool and Everton fans were involved in a number of train-wrecking incidents. By the 1960s, an average of 25 hooligan incidents were being reported each year in England.

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

The rioting in Manchester did not involve British football fans. They were Scottish.

One and the same though...still part of the British Isles

 

[Tin basher]

The rioting in Manchester did not involve British football fans. They were Scottish.

To split hairs the Scots are still British, well until Alec Salmond changes things.

Firestorm -"Not my club fella, speak for yourself" Apologies agreed trouble does not follow every club into Europe you've got to get there for a start so for Accy Stanley (My lot) we need three promotions, a sugar daddy, loads of luck and it's donkeys years away at best.

 

[Dave-exfairy]

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

Interesting, thanks for the history lesson Downsizer.

 

[grumpyoldb]

The repercusions of rangers fans violence..................
Read this. It now effects Man U.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7405591.stm

Manchester United's homecoming parade following next week's Champions League final has been postponed after violence flared in the city on Wednesday.

Police met the club and local authorities on Friday morning and the decision was taken to call off any event until later in the summer.

Manchester City Council confirmed that the riots involving Glasgow Rangers fans had been a factor in the decision.

Manchester United play Chelsea in the final in Moscow next Wednesday evening.

It will be the first time two English teams have met in the final.


A joint statement said: "Manchester City Council, Trafford Council and Manchester United are working with Greater Manchester Police to identify suitable opportunities, given the necessary logistical demands to ensure security and safety, to appropriately celebrate United's achievements this season.

"There will not be a parade immediately following the Uefa final next week but details are being discussed to organise an event which may take place during the summer."


United won the Premier League last weekend

Opponents Chelsea have also had their plans for a parade affected.

The club wanted to hold a parade on Thursday, the day after the final, if it won, but the Metropolitan Police, Transport for London and local councils said a parade on a weekday evening "would bring severe rush hour disruption and chaos to west London".

Hammersmith and Fulham Council said it had suggested the following Sunday or Monday - a Bank Holiday - as alternatives, but the club has said it will make its position clear if it wins Wednesday's final.

The problems in Manchester came after more than 100,000 Glasgow Rangers fans were in the city centre on Wednesday night to watch the Uefa Cup final with Zenit St Petersburg, held at Manchester City's stadium at Eastlands.

But after Rangers lost 2-0 hundreds of supporters clashed with police. In one instance a mob of more than 200 fans chased after police officers and tripped one of them up.

All they're doing is punishing their own people for their own mistakes


Pc describes fan mob attack

Pc Mick Regan was kicked, punched and stamped on as officers were pushed back by fans hurling bottles.

Assistant Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, Justine Curran, described the fans as being "like a pack of baying wolves".

Riot police were deployed after a city centre big screen failed and several arrests were made.

Eleven supporters have since been charged with criminal offences.

The charges include public order offences, assault and throwing a missile.


A further 11 Rangers fans who were arrested have been bailed pending further inquiries.

Twelve Rangers fans arrested were cautioned, and seven men, including one Zenit St Petersburg fan, were released without charge.

Manchester City Council have already said the Champions League final would not now be shown on big screens in Manchester.

Ex-Manchester United player Albert Scanlon, one of the famous "Busby Babes" team of the 1950s, said thousands of United fans would be "gutted" and blamed the police and council's "shambolic" organisation of the Rangers final.

Mr Scanlon, who will be going to the final, said: "All they're doing is punishing their own people for their own mistakes. It wasn't the people of Manchester's fault what happened on Wednesday. It was shambolic.

"It is all down to their own mistakes with Rangers which has condemned the United fans out of hand.

"If we win, the only place you will be able to see the cup is at Old Trafford, but not everyone can be there."

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Rangers fans have now fooked up for our local teams.
Now do you realise why we do not want you in our city.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

I don't think that's it though.

Yes it is. It sticks out by a mile when you look at the social demographics of the 'average' football fanbase versus the 'average' rugby or cricket fanbase.

With rugby and cricket you are brought up in the sport to respect the officials, respect the opposition, respect the opposing fans and honour the culture and past of the game, those who don't are very quickly put right or are ostracised.

Whilst perhaps true in its own right its a specious argument to link it to the propensity for fans of the various sports to engage in unruly behaviour. Its far more likely to be a simple matter of whether or not the individuals are pre-disposed towards being aggresive and getting more so when they've been drinking. You don't have to look further than our own town and city centres on a Friday or Saturday (or any other day) night to witness which kinds of folks are more likely to go out, get p1ssed and find a taxi home, and those who are likely to find a fight.
Theres also a great many more football fans traipsing about between nations during the footie season, far more so than there are rugby fans.

 

[Dave-exfairy]

Any chance of you putting on another record?

What's up AP, afraid i'm showing football in a bad light? No need, some Rangers fans did that all by themselves.
I cannot recall ANY hooligan incidents in this years 6 Nations rugby matches or in any cricket matches in the last season from English/Welsh/Scottish or Irish fans.
I tried to be fair in the post to which you replied, but as you and me have clashed before over this issue, I think we'd best leave it there.

 

[muttywhitedog]

To split hairs the Scots are still British, well until Alec Salmond changes things.

Firestorm -"Not my club fella, speak for yourself" Apologies agreed trouble does not follow every club into Europe you've got to get there for a start so for Accy Stanley (My lot) we need three promotions, a sugar daddy, loads of luck and it's donkeys years away at best.

So it was British fans that rioted in Heysel?

British fans who trashed Charleroi in Euro 2000?

British fans who stormed Athens in the Champs League Final?

Andy Murray, the British Tennis player?

In those 4 statements above, the Sweaties are very quick to point out that the first three should read "English" and the fourth "Scottish", instead of "British".

It was the Jocks that trashed Manchester, not the English or Welsh.

 

[Dave-exfairy]

Yes it is. It sticks out by a mile when you look at the social demographics of the 'average' football fanbase versus the 'average' rugby or cricket fanbase.

It's too simplistic to say that though. A lot of modern rugby anbd cricket fans come from the same backgrounds as football fans and IIRC quite a few of the ringleaders of the 80/90's hooligan rings had quite well paid jobs as laywers and such like.

Whilst perhaps true in its own right its a specious argument to link it to the propensity for fans of the various sports to engage in unruly behaviour. Its far more likely to be a simple matter of whether or not the individuals are pre-disposed towards being aggresive and getting more so when they've been drinking. You don't have to look further than our own town and city centres on a Friday or Saturday (or any other day) night to witness which kinds of folks are more likely to go out, get p1ssed and find a taxi home, and those who are likely to find a fight.
Theres also a great many more football fans traipsing about between nations during the footie season, far more so than there are rugby fans.

I'll agree on both points there and having been on duty as a bobby on a Fri and Sat night, i've seen even the most mild mannered young lady turn into a nasty screaming harriden when under the influence.

 

[grumpyoldb]

when you look at the social demographics of the 'average' football fanbase versus the 'average' rugby or cricket fanbase.

It's called "mentality".
Why is it that footy fans, or the term which is used to describe them, lose it after a match?
Why can't they enjoy the game, win or lose, then just go home, just as most other sports fans do?

Footy fans always use the excuse that it was a minority who caused the trouble. It's a footy problem. end of.