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There are plenty of good quality people who have tried and failed at drafting. That will continue to be the case I guess, but I have to agree with King Guin - If you are good enough then promotion will come regardless of where you work.

P.S. I think it was an A's & C's board so there was always going to be some very good people promoted who weren't A grades.
 
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Yep you are right.

In any case we need some 'high flyers' to keep us on our toes!!

We all need to keep 'ploddin on' and promotion will come......eventually!!!
 
Promotion boards may be fair, but.

Promotion boards may be fair, but.

I know this is off topic, but, it seems to be relevant to the tangent above.

Promotion boards are neither fair nor equitable, additionally, SJARs are neither fair nor equitable.

ACRs are not fair because:

Within our trade there are certain posts that are known to let you do well, PSF, PMA or VIP, in these jobs as long as you are half decent you will be getting a report written by either a trade specialist or somebody who knows how to pen to paper in the right way, and a bit of weight behind them too.

Many people out there get reports written by non-trade specialists and these will never be as strong as ones of the above, for a comparable individual, additionally, the numbers/letter/pluses and minuses will be lower than those from the above.

Promotion boards are not fair:

Because that's not their job, promotion boards are initially flawed because they receive reports that are not fair. Additionally Promotion Boards do not really need to be fair, their job is to promote suitable individuals up to the next rank, if there is an A grade pond of 100 guys and gals and a requirement for 40 bods then any one of these 100 is suitable to go up to the next rank and most of them will do a good/fair job.

There will be very good guys in the top 40 and their will be very good guys, in the wrong job, in the bottom 60, additionally there will be average guys in the right job in the top 40 and average guys in the bottom 60. At the end of the day the RAF gets 40 suitable individuals and the process rolls on, that is the system, that is it's job.

Do not think that because you got picked up you are better than those behind you, if you do not think like this then you are probably one of the good guys, if you don't think like this then you are probably one of the lucky ones.

At the end of the day the RAF needs a system that gets suitable individual promoted, to the system you are just a number, do not give yourself delusions of grander enjoy your promotion, enjoy your longer service you deserve it, just remember some that don't get it deserve it just as much.

Have a nice day, twopenth worth spent.
 
busby1971 said:
Within our trade there are certain posts that are known to let you do well, PSF, PMA or VIP, Have a nice day, twopenth worth spent.
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That argument doesn't really hold water for the 2 most recent FS-WO boards. The most recent PSB selected a bloke very highly from a bogs n drains job, immediately preceded by accounts. The PSB before that selected a bloke very highly from an Adjt job within a Comms agency.

It's a myth that you need to do a certain job to get a good report (And therefore promotion) - you need to do an outstanding job, regardless of the role, and then take your chances with all those drafters, PSF wallahs or VIP monkeys!!
 
and there speaks an ex-drafter....he he he

no system is fair
 
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I have been involved in Prom boards, I do not believe there is a better or fairer system - if there was I am sure we would have introduced it previously. However may I suggest the reintroduction of the promex with its resultant score included in the pre-boarding process would go some way to allaying the fears of those who think they are penalised becuse of their employment history. Thoughts?
 
A good idea.

Maybe encourage people to keep abreast of things trade wise too thereby increasing trade knowledge etc.
 
tommo9999 said:
That argument doesn't really hold water for the 2 most recent FS-WO boards. The most recent PSB selected a bloke very highly from a bogs n drains job, immediately preceded by accounts. The PSB before that selected a bloke very highly from an Adjt job within a Comms agency.

It's a myth that you need to do a certain job to get a good report (And therefore promotion) - you need to do an outstanding job, regardless of the role, and then take your chances with all those drafters, PSF wallahs or VIP monkeys!!
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I was making a point of generality, we would have to have our heads deeply buried in the sand to believe that working in one of the three areas I mentioned would be seen to have a negative impact on our promotion prospects, that is unless you cannot do the job to the required standard.

Agree completely with your second paragraph, but quantify it with my previous comments about who writes the report and how they would normally write a report for their own/associated trade/s.

KG - Promex won't return for the simple reason that the current system works for the RAF, bringing back Promex is an increase in work load for no payback for the RAF - own opinion but there it is.
 
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Meant to say I think it is obvious that the VIP/drafter et al jobs we talk about have a lot of weight on prom boards when the vast majority of people either don't want or can't get into these jobs for one reason or another and then often come off second best.

no system is fair but it isn't the fair force.....!
 
KingGuin said:
I have been involved in Prom boards, I do not believe there is a better or fairer system - if there was I am sure we would have introduced it previously. However may I suggest the reintroduction of the promex with its resultant score included in the pre-boarding process would go some way to allaying the fears of those who think they are penalised becuse of their employment history. Thoughts?
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I think there will always be arguments decrying our appraisal/promotion system as unfair because we all know good people who have been there or thereabouts but never quite made it. It is an unfortunate fact of life when there are more suitable candidates than vacancies.

Harder to explain are those people (and we all know some!) who have floated to the top alongside the cream. A promex as part of the promotion process may well help to weed out some of those but if you take the exam at the first opportunity and are not promoted for another 5 or 6 years how relevant will it be?
 
Many people out there get reports written by non-trade specialists and these will never be as strong as ones of the above, for a comparable individual, additionally, the numbers/letter/pluses and minuses will be lower than those from the above.
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Not easy for the junior ranks, however, as NCOs we surely owe it to ourselves to make sure that any non-specialists in the reporting chain understand what our promotion boards are looking for. And even more so when a report is written on you where the write up does not match inflated grades/prom rec - I would argue that you need to politely explain to your RO how he could possibly 'beef up' your write up.

Of course you may be unlucky enough to have a Boss who may not be open to suggestions and you end up with an worse assessment than you deserve. On the flip side, there are occasions where the individual isn't as good as he/she thinks they are.
 
tommo9999 said:
That argument doesn't really hold water for the 2 most recent FS-WO boards. The most recent PSB selected a bloke very highly from a bogs n drains job, immediately preceded by accounts.
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Who was an ex-drafter and whom is going back to drafting on promotion!! Little short on the whole story there Tommo!!
 
QUOTE=True Blue Jack;300550]but if you take the exam at the first opportunity and are not promoted for another 5 or 6 years how relevant will it be?[/QUOTE]

Still more relevant than if one does not take it at all? In addtion to the promex, lets reintro the Maths and English exams the RAF made me take to get my tapes. Never quite understood that when I had an O levels in Maths and Arithmetic and an A Level English!
 
Bogs n Drains = promotion = thought this smelt dodgy.......he he

Might of known he/she had a drafting input somewhere...

By the way anyone upto date with where they are on FS-WO Board? & Sgt-FS board while we are at it??
 
shimmeringbottom said:
Bogs n Drains = promotion = thought this smelt dodgy.......he he

Might of known he/she had a drafting input somewhere...

By the way anyone upto date with where they are on FS-WO Board? & Sgt-FS board while we are at it??
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An e-mail was sent out this week to Chf Clk's from the drafter detailing this information. Haven't got it to hand but it's out on the streets.
 
Ta, had sight of one a few weeks ago but am on leave at the mo so will check next week unless someone knows the gen.
 
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Who was an ex-drafter and whom is going back to drafting on promotion!! Little short on the whole story there Tommo!!
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The full story being that he had no appraisals from drafting as a FS?Because he drafted as a Sgt, that got him his WO????? Come on, let's keep things honest here. Accounts and bogs n drains got a good man his warrant.
 
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tommo9999 said:
The full story being that he had no appraisals from drafting as a FS?Because he drafted as a Sgt, that got him his WO????? Come on, let's keep things honest here. Accounts and bogs n drains got a good man his warrant.
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Tommo, we all know that once you get your FS in our trade you are virtually guaranteed you Warrant, that includes you too. Last time I looked there are at least twice/150% as many WOs as FS, please feel free to correct.
 
Numbers is not the point here. The bloke did not fill one of the drafting/PSF/VIP jobs and still got promoted. The move from FS to WO is not the most difficult (In terms of ratio) certainly, but the assumption that an individual needs to have the drafting/PSF/VIP tick to get promoted is just wrong.
 
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