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Technical Trades?

Technical Trades?

sexual preference said:
First off can I say a big thanks to any and all involved with review process, including those interviewed and all the TS's involved. We (Stackers, including me) have been very critical about the whole process and especially the length of time involved to resolve this issue, the lack of info has been frustrating to say the least.

Do any deserve to be on the high pay band from non-technical trades, hell no!! There is a 2 band system for a reason, and the powers that be have created a monster by bluring those lines.

Am I going to offer my new pay back in respect of my beliefs, hell no!!

What I do feel is another problem is the NCO's not getting the pay, what do they do differently from SNCO's in our trade. What courses can they not do as a JNCO that I can not do as a SNCO (Ocean terminal being one of the only that I can think of, and how many slots does that entail).

This problem has been caused by upbanding other non-techincal trades. I can only wonder at how they feel about all this, surely a review of the whole pay structure will need to be held. I have seen some say that they will dicourage others from joining as Suppliers, and that it will be hard to recuit people into our trade, how the hell are the technical trades going to recuit people, what is the incentive for them!!

The MOD are responsible for creating this whole sorry mess, and despite any outcome someone would get upset. Will people PVR over this, I would doubt it, will some SNCO's stay in because of the increase in pay, some will, but pay is not everything!!

As always the majority of us will just 'crack on' as per usual. :PDT_Xtremez_30:
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Just a quick thought, why do people think it is a pay for technical trades? If the all the JE scores were published it would surprise everyone. The top scoring trade has nothing to do with a/c!!
 
sexual preference said:
Congrats on your payrise and well done for having the balls to say the truth..........After you got it.


Please check some of my earlier posts saying exactly this!!

RAF Bird. Money isn't everything, circumstances dictate what will happen with me, seeing your smiling face everyday makes me want to stay in tho!!

:PDT_Xtremez_30:
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don't worry bout TMG he knows that more than one stackers have said exactly that throughout the thread he's just showing off ;)

ha ha i'm sure my pearly whites are a bl00dy good reason to stay in ;)
 
RAF Bird said:
don't worry bout TMG he knows that more than one stackers have said exactly that throughout the thread he's just showing off ;)
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You're no fun. :PDT_Xtremez_14:



@Sexual Preference: don't take me too seriously. If I'm being serious, I'll make it known. :PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
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First off can I say a big thanks to any and all involved with review process, including those interviewed and all the TS's involved. We (Stackers, including me) have been very critical about the whole process and especially the length of time involved to resolve this issue, the lack of info has been frustrating to say the least.

Do any deserve to be on the high pay band from non-technical trades, hell no!! There is a 2 band system for a reason, and the powers that be have created a monster by bluring those lines.

Am I going to offer my new pay back in respect of my beliefs, hell no!!

What I do feel is another problem is the NCO's not getting the pay, what do they do differently from SNCO's in our trade. What courses can they not do as a JNCO that I can not do as a SNCO (Ocean terminal being one of the only that I can think of, and how many slots does that entail).

This problem has been caused by upbanding other non-techincal trades. I can only wonder at how they feel about all this, surely a review of the whole pay structure will need to be held. I have seen some say that they will dicourage others from joining as Suppliers, and that it will be hard to recuit people into our trade, how the hell are the technical trades going to recuit people, what is the incentive for them!!

The MOD are responsible for creating this whole sorry mess, and despite any outcome someone would get upset. Will people PVR over this, I would doubt it, will some SNCO's stay in because of the increase in pay, some will, but pay is not everything!!

As always the majority of us will just 'crack on' as per usual


** probably the best post ever on this subject and I fully agree with your comments the whole system needs reviewing as soon as possible. **
 
TG1, 2 and 3 used to sit at the very top of the old 9 tier system.

Which puts TG1 and 4 in the frame but as has been said, TG1 isn't top and an earlier report on the possibility of a higher high payband put TG4 as the only trade with enough points to go up.
 
You're in the Techie payband now, thus one of us. Unless you're a Cpl of course...
 
Wow, reading through some of these pages it strikes me there is an awful amount of resentment about and it seems to be because of the total lack of information and the wall of silence that was allowed to be built up. Final decision aside, it seems to me that an awful lot of this ill feeling could have been avoided by keeping people informed, not trying to 'sneak' the result out through the back door and the powers that be stomping on the rumours before they were allowed to gather pace and substance.

In other words, in one simple word "COMMUNICATION".

I think all of us are big enough and ugly enough to know that in the "support" trades we will always get the thin end of the wedge, but the way this has been handled has been nothing short of disgraceful. It is a case of smoke and mirrors being used to try and deceive a couple of undervalued and underappreciated trades.

Can't quite work out the difference in timings for the upbanding of the two sets of SNCOs but I would hazard a guess the upper echelons of supply MUST have agreed to this prior to the (incredibly late and poorly distributed) announcement.

What does seem to have been buried though is the meeting and subsequent telephone call to the senior rank that happened at Lyneham. did this happen or not? And if it did happen as described then why was a bare faced lie told to those present??

Oh well, time to crack on. No supply JNCO will vote with their feet because of a lack of balls/ too lazy/ they know they are on a nice little earner as it is for the job that is done.

As for the Movers, they were obviously a bit more street-wise and learnt the lessons from previous JE's and selected the jobs to be evaluated a little more carefully. To be fair, some of their JNCOs regularly demonstate attributes that far exceed the rank they hold and some of the decisions and responsibilities they put their name to need to be seen to be believed. Although supply have comparable duties, it is unfortunately not on the scale of movements jnco's.

Thoughts?
 
I personally don't think you will get any joy. If even an explanation is offered I would be very surprised. The "statement" that was released looked like it had been written by a child and quite frankly probably did more harm than good and raised more questions that it answered.

Have you got a strong TS? If so, and as long as they are not MBE hunting then they should be rattling a few cages I would have thought. If the TS is weak then to be honest I think you've got no hope of even being placated with even a reply to your case.

Might just be a case of sucking it up, learning the lessons and presenting a stronger case for the JNCO cadre next time.
 
TAB said:
And do you think it will make any difference. I certainly hold no hope with one of the WOs invovled in collating the questions.:PDT_Xtremez_09:
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Apparantly from what I 'hear' there is no chance of changing any decisions but people want to know the exact reasons for any disparity rather than just accepting the usual vague guff from the top.
 
I`m Ron Burgundy? said:
Apparantly from what I 'hear' there is no chance of changing any decisions but people want to know the exact reasons for any disparity rather than just accepting the usual vague guff from the top.
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Now, wouldn't that make a refreshing change (someone drinking Heineken?) to get proper answers (on most subjects) rather than just the party line?
 
I have followed and dropped the odd post on this topic since 24 Oct 08, My thoughts are….

No real concern for me who is on/not on the lower/higher pay band, many of my mates are lucky still to be in jobs in the civvy logistics world (not all firms on superstar wages). During the same period their firms have downsized, stopped bonuses and had a pay freeze. I know of people carrying on with illness as they felt they dare not take a day off, just in case the firm is looking for heads to fall on the chopping block and this brings them into the frame. Team leaders on a wage comparable to high end SAC.

However even through these times they have been kept informed, weekly meetings and company mailings the norm….. Information!

As Colonel Gaddafi says most people have been let down by the lack of official communication. Logweb has proved to be little or no use only reacting to rumour and internet postings. Information that has been issued has clearly passed its sell by date before being posted. The giving away of the movers rise and the suppliers delay/no change, showing as a JPA update to the April pay scales being one item of note.

Also the explanations of the reasons for change and more importantly no change have been mentioned, the releases only focus on the upbanding, why no mention of the AC/NCOs’ who did not make the grade? If not, why not? Are there ways they could improve, increase skills and chances for the next JE … you never know someone may have they key and we are not asking them?

I feel sorry for those supply JNCO’s still in as the Sgt move upwards may keep a few more in post longer, reducing your current trade promotion prospects even further in difficult times.
 
Stax said:
Sorry, was this when they went to Brize? If so that was a very small part of the JSJET. I was interviewed back in Aug 08, firstly by the then TS, who took me through the initial paperwork. Then when the paperwork came back I reviewed it and with further counseling from the TS I spent around 20hours on it. I then spent around 3 hours with the JSJET interviewer. This was done for everyone across the ranks. The team of officers were at Brize for the day to view the tasks we carry out on a daily basis, my interview included everything else involved with being a stacker, H&S, QA, Bldg Custodian etc etc.
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Sorry but your experience as quoted above is exactly the same as the JNCO I was talking about, including the amount of time and effort put in and the extended interview on all the subjects you mentioned, we all had a part to play of equal value (regardless of Unit)! But thanks for enlightening me on what happened at my own Unit. Not trying to pick a fight but people regularly make statements about something that happened when they were not on that Unit, rumour and conjecture are not facts.
 
PS: I was also only trying to say that the JNCO's interviewed put in as much effort as anyone else and in my opinion (not that it counts, hence leaving RAF) they deserve better!
 
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