Latest Fitness Rumour

[Tashy_Man]

There will be a far greater emphasis on firing - with the nice Army style 100m/200m+ shoots.

Welcome to the Army folks, Air Wing DT_Xtremez_21:

Well thats ok then......every RAF camp has a HUGE range doesn't it......oh you mean we gotta travel LOTS of miles to a range...away from our primary duty AGAIN (when you were the last tradesman on shift anyway!!)

Good to see it's been thought through (and don't even suggest that SAT ranges are good enough cause they aint....they are a fun fair attraction)....If were gonna be Air Wing (Army) then it needs to be done right.......i'll put money down that says it's totally fecked up !!

Oh well won't affect me, feel sorry (yeah right can you see my heart bleeding..) for you lot that will be though !

Crack on............DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

On the plus side - apparently CCS is having a massive overhaul - to be announced in September. Rumours currently flying around our Regt Flt are that it will be linked to your readiness state - with those on the lower states (R5+) only having to do it every 2 years, and apparently it will lose NBC (or CBRN) as this will only be trained if you need it for a specific det/unit role. There will be a far greater emphasis on firing - with the nice Army style 100m/200m+ shoots.

Welcome to the Army folks, Air Wing DT_Xtremez_21:

Bout bloody time, there are some shocking shots in the RAF, if you keep hitting the TOP OF THE RANGE at 25 metres, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself!

Rant switch set to off...

 

[boney2728]

Wait out...

 

[rogerslimprs]

Thank God I Left In Time

Thank God I Left In Time

By Airships, do you mean the old fellas with blue piping or are you refering to the larger members of the airforce? either way the answer is No!DT_Xtremez_42:

Having read all this fitness stuff is enough to make my beer curdle!! I left after 13 years in 1978 and they were just starting to mention things like the PE thingy and having to attend a course for promotion at Hereford and silly things like that. In my time, we just got on with the job and we did it pretty damned fine thank you. As was mentioned before, if I wanted to run around like a silly bugger I would have joined the Army like me dad! And yes, he came out at 40 as a Warrant Officer I and I came out as an SAC with no vacancies for promotion forecast for the next 5 years!!

The 60's and 70's were the cream of the time, and boy did we enjoy it!

Rog

 

[3wheeledtechie]

There will be a far greater emphasis on firing - with the nice Army style 100m/200m+ shoots

This is where it fails to be joined up. As Tashyman points out we don't have the infrastructure in the RAF. Now try booking a range. No joy? That'll be units about to deploy to sandy places booking them up for essential shooting packages.

Add to that the fact of standard of shooting in the RAF is generally woeful, so getting people up to any kind of standard would take some serious effort and commitment from everyone involved, especially Regt sections who would probably have to double to provide the RCOs req'd to achieve this. Having represented my unit at shooting competitions the profile of service shooting in the RAF is so low you have to dig for it.

My main point though is that being a warfighter first encompasses several elements. I would argue that neglecting any one of them leads to ineffective warfighters. i.e. its not just about fitness, you need good fieldcraft skills, ability to be effective with your personal weapon, good first aid skills, good level of fitness, etc. This is why I find when the hierarchy trot out the line about warfighter first, tradesmen second, its laughable - they don't understand the meaning, or are not prepared to properly resource the training required to make their personnel effective warfighters.

 

[Boarderlyne]

...This is why I find when the hierarchy trot out the line about warfighter first, tradesmen second, its laughable - they don't understand the meaning, or are not prepared to properly resource the training required to make their personnel effective warfighters.

You've hit the nail on the head. The Powers That Be want us to be fit but won't invest the time or the money to get people up to a decent fitness level. The same goes for the old tired "warfighter first, tradesmen second" line. A sop to it is Compulsory PT which works well for us daisies but is absolutely feck all use to a shifty!

 

[Mug?]

Re-Think

Re-Think

They need a rethink on the whole warfighter first rubbish.

Thats why we have the likes of TCW/ TSW/ TPW etc.....
Look at the manning of those places to cover the slots they fill. they allow for field training and the whole fitness stuff and can still struggle.

Not shy of the warfighter tag, but we would need 3 times the amount of people if you want to do it with the current levels of commitments.

Off Topic I hope CCS doesnt turn into IDT ie how to put a tent up / put cam cream on, how to put sand in a sandbag, then a run to the range.

 

[BillyBunter]

I really cant beleive they are doing this , i just think its the PTI section creating more work for them to save them getting binned. Agree with all my section does not have time to let people away its a non starter and never will be . Its ok for all these 9-5 day workers and shineys to agree this **** but yet again screw over the engineers on the squadron.

All i can see happening is the injury rate and people getting duff knees and unable to go overseas on det, id say thats quite a bonus really. I know my legs aint gonna hack it twice a year on the stupid shuttle runs ,never failed though

Or if you fail you have to go to gym in work time , so guarenteed time off but will only affect the remaining 2 lads that are left to fix the fleet.

where do these people make these stupid ideas up , they have nothing better to do except **** people of more and more

 

[prop135]

Off Topic I hope CCS doesnt turn into IDT ie how to put a tent up / put cam cream on, how to put sand in a sandbag, then a run to the range.

CCS at Diggers is now a 3 day Force Development Package!!!!! Grd training 1.5 days. Fitness tests on some sqns once a month. Oh the joys of knackered knees DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[Kernow]

I really cant beleive they are doing this , i just think its the PTI section creating more work for them to save them getting binned. Agree with all my section does not have time to let people away its a non starter and never will be . Its ok for all these 9-5 day workers and shineys to agree this **** but yet again screw over the engineers on the squadron.

All i can see happening is the injury rate and people getting duff knees and unable to go overseas on det, id say thats quite a bonus really. I know my legs aint gonna hack it twice a year on the stupid shuttle runs ,never failed though

Or if you fail you have to go to gym in work time , so guarenteed time off but will only affect the remaining 2 lads that are left to fix the fleet.
where do these people make these stupid ideas up , they have nothing better to do except **** people of more and more

Surely that would be the unfit fat cnuts who couldn't give a t0ss about the other 2 lads in which case they need a kicking. Anyone who gave a rats ar5e about anyone else would ensure they don't fail it?

 

[CRYSTALTIPS]

Fitness tests TWICE a year .

Increased fitness levels . (Old Rumour)

Mandatory 3 x 50 minute sports period per week .

Flt Cdrs to be responsible for making it work.

No Duff!


Brilliant......theres people higher up the food chain getting friggin paid to think of things like this.

Can i just ask how are they going to implement this for people that work in hospitals?? Cuz thatll mean that we'll have to do our P.T in our own time and NOT work time. So theoretically IT ISANT going to work!

I cant see someone coming to stand in for you on a ward for 50mins 3 times a week while you go off to the gym!

 

[Isis]

OK - so I've just read 19 pages of whining about why compulsory fitness won't work, why people don't want to be fitness tested and why, generally everyone feels very hard done by because their the only group of people in the universe who've had to keep fit in their own time.

So now we can pretty much agree a raise in overall fitness across the RAF is a good thing - how could it be implemented? - if officers are so wrong about how it's been implemented in the past and at the moment what would you do to change things?

And let's keep it realistic - we all know the Government isn't suddenly going to spring an extra 10% funding in our direction no matter how much we'd like it.

 

[Realist78]

How about an extra ??days leave per year?DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

OK - so I've just read 19 pages of whining about why compulsory fitness won't work, why people don't want to be fitness tested and why, generally everyone feels very hard done by because their the only group of people in the universe who've had to keep fit in their own time.

So now we can pretty much agree a raise in overall fitness across the RAF is a good thing - how could it be implemented? - if officers are so wrong about how it's been implemented in the past and at the moment what would you do to change things?

And let's keep it realistic - we all know the Government isn't suddenly going to spring an extra 10% funding in our direction no matter how much we'd like it.

Most aren't complaining about the getting fit part, simply that as it's a requirement of the job, we should be using works time to fulfill it.

MP

 

[roverboy]

Most aren't complaining about the getting fit part, simply that as it's a requirement of the job, we should be using works time to fulfill it.

MP

It's just an idea, but 10 Fd Sqn RE at leeming used to do PT on a Monday morning and start work proper at midday. On Friday they used to finish work at midday and then do PT. But then again, the Army have always embraced fitness as part of the job.

I've mentioned this before, but 111 Sqn started giving us set times to go to the gym on Tuesday and Thursdays, until the aircrew wanted to fly early and then it all went to pot.

 

[Isis]

Most aren't complaining about the getting fit part, simply that as it's a requirement of the job, we should be using works time to fulfill it.

MP

OK, my point is so far most people have complained that the current system isn't working, that bringing in 3 x 50mins fitness won't work, etc etc - so what will? Should we, for example, make remedial fitness compulsory for all?

Personally I think when you join up your made aware fitness is a requirement of the job, the vast majority of personnal have access to a decent gym, a number of sports clubs and qualified advice from the PTI's - if with all those facilities on your doorstep you can't find a programme that works to keep you able to pass the fitness test was the military really the right career choice for you? I know there are exceptions to the rule and i'm generalising here, and in an ideal world there would be plenty of free time for everyone to go to the gym and do all the PT they need - but this isn't an ideal world.

so what I'm asking is; with the time and resources we have available how would we change the way PT is organised to make it work for the vast majority?

 

[roverboy]

Personally I think when you join up your made aware fitness is a requirement of the job, the vast majority of personnal have access to a decent gym, a number of sports clubs and qualified advice from the PTI's - if with all those facilities on your doorstep you can't find a programme that works to keep you able to pass the fitness test was the military really the right career choice for you? I know there are exceptions to the rule and i'm generalising here, and in an ideal world there would be plenty of free time for everyone to go to the gym and do all the PT they need - but this isn't an ideal world.

Sorry if I've misunderstood you, but it seems to me that you've contradicted yourself. You're saying that we should find a program that works but then admit that not everyone gets time to go to the gym because of work pressures. You can't get blood out of a stone!!

I am lucky, I get time to do fitness in my working day, but there is no way certain working environments can due to the situation we've got ourselves into with regards manpower, operational tempo etc.

I stand by my idea based on Army practice and make fitness part of the working day. If lean is working as advertised, we should all have time to go to the gym in the day, but it's not and there are wider issues that are preventing personnel from conforming to the RAF's ideal vision of us all being a fit fighting force.

 

[Isis]

More I'm being cheeky and suggesting the RAF providing a load of facilities and expecting you to utilise them in your own time to keep fitness at an appropriate level isn't such a bad thing.

Let's be logical - a clean, pressed uniform and polished shoes are expected too - should work time be allocated to the maintainance of these personal standards as well?

 

[wolfy]

Sorry if I've misunderstood you, but it seems to me that you've contradicted yourself. You're saying that we should find a program that works but then admit that not everyone gets time to go to the gym because of work pressures. You can't get blood out of a stone!!

I am lucky, I get time to do fitness in my working day, but there is no way certain working environments can due to the situation we've got ourselves into with regards manpower, operational tempo etc.

I stand by my idea based on Army practice and make fitness part of the working day. If lean is working as advertised, we should all have time to go to the gym in the day, but it's not and there are wider issues that are preventing personnel from conforming to the RAF's ideal vision of us all being a fit fighting force.

I think he was trying to say that to some extent fitness should be a personal thing and not totally reliant on organised activities. However there should be ways to organise programmes within the relevent team, sections etc. It all really depends on serious the RAF is about enforcing this issue and where it lies on the list of priorities.

 

[Isis]

I think he was trying to say that to some extent fitness should be a personal thing and not totally reliant on organised activities. However there should be ways to organise programmes within the relevent team, sections etc. It all really depends on serious the RAF is about enforcing this issue and where it lies on the list of priorities.

Thank you Wolfy - exactly my point but rather more elequently worded.

Oh and I'm a she