Retention.....

[muttywhitedog]

This has just happened...

I answer phone at work.

Voice says "This is XXXX at ACOS Manning, can I speak to YYYY"

Me - "Sorry, she's not about at the moment - anything I can help with"

XXXX - "Well, I'm ringing to see if she'll recind her PVR"

Me - "WTF!!!"

XXXX - "Yes, we are ringing everyone who has a PVR in to see if they'll change their mind"

Me - "Is it really that bad that you guys have to do something as humiliating as that?"

XXXX - "Yes"

What next - cold calling with a recorded message from CAS asking us if we'd all get back on his magic carpet?

The mind boggles!

 

[MontyPlumbs]

This has just happened...

I answer phone at work.

Voice says "This is XXXX at ACOS Manning, can I speak to YYYY"

Me - "Sorry, she's not about at the moment - anything I can help with"

XXXX - "Well, I'm ringing to see if she'll recind her PVR"

Me - "WTF!!!"

XXXX - "Yes, we are ringing everyone who has a PVR in to see if they'll change their mind"

Me - "Is it really that bad that you guys have to do something as humiliating as that?"

XXXX - "Yes"

What next - cold calling with a recorded message from CAS asking us if we'd all get back on his magic carpet?

The mind boggles!

I'm really looking forward to my call! Maybe I should explain my plethora of reasons for the PVR? DT_Xtremez_30: Crack on ACOS Manning or whatever you're called this week.

 

[wgaf]

Speaking to a snco here at the herc base yesterday and he was phoned up and asked exactley the same thing:
ACOS: What would it take for you to withdraw your PVR?
Snco: Promotion, 40k and better career management.
ACOS: Oh! We've been told that by everyone we phone.

No sh1t sherlock!!!!!!!

 

[billy bollox]

Do ACOS have the right to turn down a PVR once it has been initially accepted??
I know they can turn down your PVR request and make it difficult but if they don't get the people to recind, what next????DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[LeeVanCleef]

I eagarly await my call in that case, altho it will be a very short one.. shove it up ya hoop ACOS Manning.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Do ACOS have the right to turn down a PVR once it has been initially accepted??
I know they can turn down your PVR request and make it difficult but if they don't get the people to recind, what next????DT_Xtremez_09:

Human Rights act? Employment tribunal? With no Crown Immunity, they'd be torn to shreds in a court of law.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I eagarly await my call in that case, altho it will be a very short one.. shove it up ya hoop ACOS Manning.

Maybe we can do a three way conference in rects mate? Muahahahaha

Maybe all the Goaters can participate that have PVRs in?

 

[chiefy]

Me - "Is it really that bad that you guys have to do something as humiliating as that?"

Is it humiliating? Standard practice in the real world, employees cost money to replace in all walks of life, why not at least find out why they feel the need to move on and try to address those issues.

No fecker phoned me, I think they were glad to see the back of me as I was such a pain in the arse!

 

[Natural_Wastage]

I wonder if they'll call people who are in their resettlement period? If someone has taken the step to PVR then have usually thought about it very hard and are unlikely to change their mind. However, many of the people on resettlement (especially at the 12 and 15 year points), are leaving because they feel they have no future or are unhappy at their place of work.

Maybe these are the guys who they should be calling?

 

[FOMz]

I wonder if they'll call people who are in their resettlement period? If someone has taken the step to PVR then have usually thought about it very hard and are unlikely to change their mind. However, many of the people on resettlement (especially at the 12 and 15 year points), are leaving because they feel they have no future or are unhappy at their place of work.

Maybe these are the guys who they should be calling?

Maybe the airships shouldn't have ran the RAF into the ground in the first place eh? Then none of this would have happened.

 

[3wheeledtechie]

I wonder if they'll call people who are in their resettlement period? If someone has taken the step to PVR then have usually thought about it very hard and are unlikely to change their mind. However, many of the people on resettlement (especially at the 12 and 15 year points), are leaving because they feel they have no future or are unhappy at their place of work.

Maybe these are the guys who they should be calling?

OMG 10 days to go, I'm waiting for mine then. I'll be delighted to tell them where they can shove it and why. The rot set in with Pay 2000 as far as I'm concerned. Whilst a new rock can be operational in probably 6 months, they have failed to plan for how long it takes to replace experienced engineers, with effective replacements.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Reasons to stay in?

1) Better career management for airmen, less shunting people into whatever place has a manning crisis that week. Provide what you purport to provide: opportunity, challenge and excitement for all.

2) Better promotion prospects, including a SNCO Engineering fast track scheme for suitable junior ranks.

3) Less of the gash jobs that you couldn't even get civvies on 8k a year to do. I joined the RAF to load bombs and work on aircraft, not litter pick, paint, empty bins of rubbish, move lockers or any other gash sh1te that gets thought up. If these jobs need doing, where are the defaulters?

4) Stop letting in malingering glassbacks who have never, nor will they ever, pass the RAFFT, be deployed and undertake duties such as guard and parades.

5) Streamline the management tree. We need more indians, not chiefs.

6) Stop paying new entrant aircraft technicians less than the bloke who warms the beans in the mess - no wonder they are leaving and no wonder recruitment for AMMs is so bad - why do all that training when you can be earning more in half the time?

7) Empowerment of junior ranks is a great thing - but do not use it as an excuse to get an SAC to do a Cpls job, a Cpl to do a Sgts job etc.

8) Stop running everything like a business. If you want to go business like, get some managers with REAL business experience (by that I don't mean Air Commodore Smythe (retd)).

9) Bin JPA - bring back Clerks who have experience of the military - at least then we have someone to speak to face-to-face when it all goes wrong.

10) Sort out the promotion system - far too many people promoted WAY past their station, purely on the back of charity work etc etc.

11) Live up to your promise that the RAF values everyones contribution - far too many dinosaurs still look at the badge on your shoulder before deciding whether or not to speak to you.

Just my take, I could think of more, but I'll climb down off my soapbox for now.

 

[Realist78]

Raesons to stay in?

1) Better career management for airmen, less shunting people into whatever place has a manning crisis that week. Provide what you purport to provide: opportunity, challenge and excitement for all.

2) Better promotion prospects, including a SNCO Engineering fast track scheme for suitable junior ranks.

3) Less of the gash jobs that you couldn't even get civvies on 8k a year to do. I joined the RAF to load bombs and work on aircraft, not litter pick, paint, empty bins of rubbish, move lockers or any other gash sh1te that gets thought up. If these jobs need doing, were are the defaulters?

4) Stop letting in malingering glassbacks who have never, nor will they ever, pass the RAFFT, be deployed and undertake duties such as guard and parades.

5) Streamline the management tree. We need more indians, not chiefs.

6) Stop paying new entrant aircraft technicians less than the bloke who warms the beans in the mess - no wonder they are leaving and no wonder recruitment for AMMs is so bad - why do all that training when you can be earning more in half the time?

7) Empowerment of junior ranks is a great thing - but do not use it as an excuse to get an SAC to do a Cpls job, a Cpl to do a Sgts job etc.

8) Stop running everything like a business. If you want to go business like, get some managers with REAL business experience (by that I don't mean Air Commodore Smythe (retd)).

9) Bin JPA - bring back Clerks who have experience of the military - at least then we have someone to speak to face-to-face when it all goes wrong.

10) Sort out the promotion system - far too many people promoted WAY past their station, purely on the back of charity work etc etc.

11) Live up to your promise that the RAF values everyones contribution - far too many dinosaurs still look at the badge on your shoulder before deciding whether or not to speak to you.

Just my take, I could think of more, but I'll climb down off my soapbox for now.

Just about sums it up MP, good post! Only thing, as a co spelling nazi, it's 'where are the defaulters?' (apologies for the cheap shot).DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Just about sums it up MP, good post! Only thing, as a co spelling nazi, it's 'where are the defaulters?' (apologies for the cheap shot).DT_Xtremez_28:

Damn!I shall of course discipline myself! Oh the shame! The shame!

 

[busby1971]

Stable Door Bolted too late.

Stable Door Bolted too late.

Once again the Air Farce seems to be reactive rather than proactive.

Within my own trade (admin) not only did our promotion prospects get screwed by JPA they have forced a reduced FMDL on Sgt to further cut down on promotions, this in order to keep SAC/Cpl numbers up, will it work, no just more disgruntlement and more PVRs as people get p1ssed off as they see no future.

Recruitment isn't a problem at the mo however, retention must be an elephant in the room at manning meetings.

 

[Yandards]

It is my understanding that they (ACOS) are calling up people who are in the final few weeks of terminal.

Although the highlight of this current round of 'whoops we messed up - again' came from one of the drafters who had previously posted someone 6 months ago to somewhere they didnt want to go and told them to 'get on with it'

Bloggs subsequently PVR'd and now the same drafter is asking the 'What can the RAF do to keep you in?'

I cant see this getting much better either, what with one fleet moving out of an op early next year and another one moving in - more people required and yet another increase in those walking out the door.

 

[Realist78]

The problem is, and aways has been, that the real decisions are being made by uber commissioned individuals who have no concept of, don't care about and cannot fathom the large numbers of the greater unwashed who know the solutions to many of the Air Force's ills but who are not being listened to.:raf:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

The problem is, and aways has been, that the real decisions are being made by uber commissioned individuals who have no concept of, don't care about and cannot fathom the large numbers of the greater unwashed who know the solutions to many of the Air Force's ills but who are not being listened to.:raf:

Well, they can crack on, pretty soon they will be stagging on the gate, because everyone else will have left. I'm sure they'll get a truck full of MBEs for that.

 

[Realist78]

Well, they can crack on, pretty soon they will be stagging on the gate, because everyone else will have left. I'm sure they'll get a truck full of MBEs for that.

Quite so, what a feast for the eyes that will be! Something about sowing and reaping, me thinks!DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[muttywhitedog]

There's also a signal doing the rounds inviting anyone who is signed on for 22yrs, and is in their last two years service, to apply for up to 3yrs continuance. This offer is open to all trades, not just the select few that were offered it before.

That, allied to what my drafter said today, kind of tells me that the stable door is well and truly wide open with the horse way in the distance.

Never mind though, Sir Glenn got another title in the Queens Birthday Honours.

Some of the leadership from the top makes that Adam Applegarth at Northern Rock look a fantastic CEO!