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FW,
can I ask where you got this info from, as I have spoken to the pensions agency via e-mail and they confirmed that this was only offered to those lucky cnuts who took redundancy. I still have the mail from the pension agency.
AFPS 75 states that the highest rank held for 2 years in the last 5 years of service in pensionable, or words to that effect as I cannot be bothered to find it again on the web.
I would be VG if you have anything else on this.

Cheers, GB
 
I have PVR'd and have been given my pension rights via SPVA - which works out exactly as I have already mentioned. Also two guys I know have just left 18 months and 21 months in Chf Tech rank and recieved 18/24 and 21/24 Flight Sergeant pension increase. When I went to PSF I was told that pensions were now calculated by the day (but he was not supposed to tell me that - I had to go to SPVA). Just ask for a pension forcast in your new rank leaving before the two year point and you can work it out.
 
FW,
The mail I recieved saying that I am not entitled was from SPVA, so WTF is going on? Surely if you are entitled to a pension at your IP, then you employers are duty bound to tell you what you are entitled to? Not having a pop at you m8, but getting a bit fustrated at the lack of comms between all these departments. I will mail SPVA immediately for some proper answers!

Cheers, GB
 
right, e-mail sent and I will advise the world on the outcome.....
 
Right, mail back from SPVA and for AFPS 75 they refer to the nice booklet thing, go to page 6 and it says in black and white, or a nice blue tinge, that Final Pay is the highest paid rank for 2 years (substansive) in the last 5 for OR's......

Has anybody else got any more definative info???
 
If you are that unsure...just sign on and then PVR for the two years in rank point.
 
Well at least now they are trying to do something about it , they have to try the basics to retain if that fails its step 2 then eventually money will talk
Saying that to be honest it has got to a point now that even a larger increase in wages will not keep me in. Crikey I cant believe i just said that but its the truth, anyone else ?
 
Well heres an even better one for you all. I phone over to another Sqn at ISL today and got into a conversation which went along the lines of

Me - 'So have you heard about PMA phoning round guys who PVR's to see what it will take for them to stay in?'

Matey - 'I will give you one better than that, my brother got out 3 years ago as an SAC Sooty and he received a phone call asking if he wanted to join up again as a reservist!'.............'You can imagine his answer as he is contracting at CMU and getting 1k a week!!'

My god has it come to this. Why are they not asking folk why they are leaving and doing something to TRY and keep folk in?
 
I've had the same happen to 3 of my mates who recently banged in their PVR.

What did they expect people to do? Sit there and take it up the chuff as conditions and manning get worse and worse saying "Please Sir may I have another?". On my shift each week more and more people are submitting their PVR and this has a major effect on everyone else. The "Sinking Ship" feeling is getting worse and worse and to be honest I'm so glad I'm on my way out of the service before things become really grim.

It's numerous things that people are hacked off with. Manning, dets (very few personnel available so they come round two to three times a year), crippled supply system, general fookfactor, poor management and thats to name but a few.

It was bound to happen as running 2 tranches of redundancies during the busiest operational period we have seen in the British Forces for over 50 years has basically caused massive overstretch. This has made our personnel consider if its all worth the hassle.

It's quite funny to see them phoning ex sooties to see if they fancy becoming a reservist. I wonder if they also let him know that you now have to retrain to become dual trade and that you spend 4-6 months a year in the Middle East. I bet not!
 
What i dont understand is PMA are phoning ppl who have PVR'd to try and persuade them to stay in, but from the info i have been given from friends who have recieved said fone call they only get it a few weeks before thier last day at work. Now correct me if im wrong but when ya only have a few weeks left, and more than likely have a new job lined up, and you been waiting a year to get out, its not likely that you are just gona change ya mind now is it. I have 4 months left and havent been phoned, and if i am, im too far gone to even consider staying in. Maybe when id just slapped the PVR in i could of been "persuaded" to stay, but not now.
 
I think the they are trying to stem the flow in the future rather than stop those going at the moment. As you say ringing up with only a few weeks to go is pointless but the info might help them prevent further PVR's if they can change the conditions we are suffering. Apparently when it was aircrewthat were voting with their feet they all said money and hey FRI's up the ying yang. I won't hold my breath for the great unwashed though...
 
LeeVanCleef said:
What i dont understand is PMA are phoning ppl who have PVR'd to try and persuade them to stay in, but from the info i have been given from friends who have recieved said fone call they only get it a few weeks before thier last day at work. Now correct me if im wrong but when ya only have a few weeks left, and more than likely have a new job lined up, and you been waiting a year to get out, its not likely that you are just gona change ya mind now is it. I have 4 months left and havent been phoned, and if i am, im too far gone to even consider staying in. Maybe when id just slapped the PVR in i could of been "persuaded" to stay, but not now.
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Standard RAF crisis management.

The powers that be have had the indicators for this shoved in their faces since they ran the redundancies and as Wobbly says caused massive overstretch and fcuked off most of those left in.

Their response was to tell us all there was no overstretch and if we did not like it to fork off.

Guess what, people are.

They still won't be admitting to themselves (and definately not to those above them) that they are wrong and have been wrong for a while. It will be a 'statistical blip' or somesuch that can be cured by a badly thought out begging session which will do nothing but further p1ss off those left in who have not PVR'd and therefore not been offered the plum posting or promotion they may well deserve more than the guy who actually got it because he put his notice in.
 
Had an interesting incident here at a huge airbase in Oxon.
A guy with 6 weeks left until he hands back his ID card via PVR has been spoken to by PMA (or whatever it's called these days) and asked "what can we do to change your mind and keep you in the service?".
He replied "a promotion and posting to a station nearer my home town, working only days shifts, monday to friday, where I can get days off to play sport and go on education courses".
PMA response......."well you are about 80th on the board and we are expecting to promote around 60 - 80 this year, so that shouldn't be a problem. Getting you into Waddington could be difficult, but we could create another postion on the station CIT (Continual Improvement Team) which would give you the opportunities you want. How soon could you move?"
There are several guys who have been wanting to get to Waddington for over a year and they now find out that someone who basically couldn't give a to55 about the RAF has now got exactly what he wanted while they are still being told "there is no way we can get you a posting to Waddo".
Is there some positive discrimination going on here?
WW
 
Well for the lads at Lyneham, I found out today to help stem the flow of people out the door and to ease the pressure on people going away on dets the bigs wigs are going to create 50 new posts there, around the same ones they cut 18 months ago.

Nowt like a U-turn
 
I just found out the other day my mate who was on his last day 5 years ago as a 15 year JT on the day if his leaving beercall he got offered signing onto 22 (the days when it was are unless you had tapes) anyway he is now a SNCO on 43 , good on him like a few of us old beans that had to wait like 15 years to get promoted and screwed over cause the system at the time did not favour old style mechs that joined up pre 91.
 
I have been reading this thread with alot of interest and it makes my blood boil to see how Acos manning seem to be able to manage peoples careers properly only when it suits them. I remember reading the so called mission statement they brought out just before I left. All this stinks. This is the RAF senior top brass reacting to the message we have all been giving them for ages now. I spoke to my best mate at a very large airbase in Oxfordshire the other day. He says folks are flying in PVR's left, right and center at the moment. He even mentioned to me that GE's are putting in there PVR's too. That was unheard of when I was there. This is a true indicator of how things have deteriorated since I left. I am wondering if there will be a time when PVR's will be refused by ACOS. I simply don't trust what ACOS are up to at the moment. Something else is going on behind the scenes here. As to what, I don't know but they are up to something.:PDT_Xtremez_25:
 
I really can't se how ACOS can refuse a PVR, provided you have completed 3 years from trade training. They'd last 5 seconds in an employment tribunal.
 
MontyPlumbs said:
I really can't se how ACOS can refuse a PVR, provided you have completed 3 years from trade training. They'd last 5 seconds in an employment tribunal.
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Sorry Monty, if ACOS deem you to be necesary for "operational effectiveness" then tuff. They can and have in the past refuse to accept a pvr. Under conditions of war or national emergency the MOD is exempt normal employment law, this includes the european court of human rights bill.
It's wrong I know but the idea is to stop everyman and his dog doing one if the sh1t hits the fan.
 
wgaf said:
Sorry Monty, if ACOS deem you to be necesary for "operational effectiveness" then tuff. They can and have in the past refuse to accept a pvr. Under conditions of war or national emergency the MOD is exempt normal employment law, this includes the european court of human rights bill.
It's wrong I know but the idea is to stop everyman and his dog doing one if the sh1t hits the fan.
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I don't doubt that for a second, however, according to the Government we aren't at war (they have to invoke emergency powers) so my point stands.

I know we don't like it, but if needed the EU Human Rights act could be used against the MOD (I've seen it before) and it's very hard to defend such an action as refusing a PVR unless the hordes are coming over the hill.

As again, borne out by many an employment tribunal "operational effectiveness" has to be proven with specific reasons why a service person cannot leave the service. Add to the fact that most military lawyers are the ones that ouldn't make it in civvy street, the MOD almost always loses.
 
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Captain Gatso, I hate to be the bringer of bad news my friend but what you say (regarding GEs PVRing) is absolutely correct.
The big Oxfordshire base is losing GEs like nobodys business and that's before we start talking about those SNCOs who are 'Just doing their time' and not signing on.
It's got to the stage at this base where the one of the 1st questions you are asked in the Sgt's Mess is "How long have you got left to do then?"
The Air Force is leaking it's life blood folks.
I for one wouldn't swap 20 AMMs for 1 time-served, hard-nosed, politically incorrect SNCO. You can keep your ass kissers, medal seekers and MBE grabbers. Those guys and girls who KNOW they can make it in the real world are leaving in their droves and I for one am seriously thinking of joining them.
How long should you cling onto a sinking ship before you realise its going down with or without you?
WW
 
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