Retention.....

[monobrow]

TO be honest, if the post I'm currently in was all that I was going to be doing in the RAF, then my PVR would have been in when I first got the posting. However I do know there is better out there and went after it. Something a bit further away to the current "morale vacuum" I'm currently employed in anyway!

 

[muttywhitedog]

Rather the same for me. I'm doing a job that I have aspired to for years in an area that I have tried to get to for years. Any other job in any other location and they can kiss my great hairy swingers!

 

[Stroppyjock]

I did try and recind my PVR at one point, but they said I had too many strong views to be allowed to stay in!! DT_Xtremez_35: DT_Xtremez_30: My PVR letter did take up nearly two sheets of A4 thoDT_Xtremez_06:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I did try and recind my PVR at one point, but they said I had too many strong views to be allowed to stay in!! DT_Xtremez_35: DT_Xtremez_30: My PVR letter did take up nearly two sheets of A4 thoDT_Xtremez_06:

I'm pretty sure I'd get a similar response if I were stupid enough to attempt to retract my PVR! DT_Xtremez_17:DT_Xtremez_17:

 

[Stroppyjock]

It was a moment of madness, glad they didnt recind it! DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Impboy]

Having read with interest all the previous threads, I have to agree with most that the RAF I joined all those years ago has changed for the worst. I have put in my notice as my proper 22 yr point is not until xmas this year so will give me that extra time to cover the shortfall a PVR would create. I'm a SNCO on a fast jet Sqn in Lincolnshire and to be honest as an engineer I and a lot of my collegues feel undervalued. Effectively I am a licenced Avionic Engineer on type which in civvie street would command at least 36k basic a year. I'm getting the same pay as a chef who will only work in 3 places the airmans mess SNCO's mess or Officers mess with the odd detachment to a field kitchen.
In my time in I have spent the best part of 4 yrs 3months on various 'Q' courses to learn different aircraft types and technical courses. The chefs bless em go to chef school for 6-8 months and and learn by on the job (correct me if I'm wrong) coupled with this is the rocks, again they are in the higher pay bracket and being paid the same as a techie Cpl. This again undervalues aircraft techies all over. Pay 2000 certainly didn't help and I believe this has caused the majority of problems today.
Bae are crying out for people and you cant blame people for leaving and going across to do the same job but for less hassle.
Its about time the officer corps was cut. Why do we need 1 officer per 3 airman. Why do we need 400 odd Group Captains. Start at the top and work down. This would be a good start. RANT OVER!!!! ::

 

[dodgysootie]

Why do we need 1 officer per 3 airman. Why do we need 400 odd Group Captains. Start at the top and work down. This would be a good start. RANT OVER!!!! ::

Bloody hell old bean,.. Cant do that old chap,... Jobs for the Boys you know.....
Pip squeak and tally ho!

Spot on impboy, been saying it for years but It will never happen.

DS

 

[pie sandwich]

I did try and recind my PVR at one point, but they said I had too many strong views to be allowed to stay in!! DT_Xtremez_35: DT_Xtremez_30: My PVR letter did take up nearly two sheets of A4 thoDT_Xtremez_06:

Now you have to post that DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Martin Blank]

Was discussing this today with a few of the lads after reading it on the Goat yesterday.
A few have already fielded the question from PMA if leavers could be persuaded to stay in.
It raised an interesting question on what incentives the desk jockeys are gonna be offering these ppl who hate the RAF enough to PVR. ( I know your not all uniformed chavs who cant hack a bit of military discipline and have personal reasons for leaving)
Choice of posting? well they can't sort that out for ppl staying in so are they now going to kick some poor sod out of his post just to retain a PVR'r?
Promotion? again bump some poor fekker who's pushing on through the **** just to keep the numbers up?
Lump sum? well if one gets it shouldnt we all get it? or just because we man up and bite the bullet do we get penalised.
Immunity from OOA or right to veto? again f#cking discrimination against the rest of us if it ever happens.
realistically most of the above are reasons most people want to leave anyway
are we now going to have to pander to blackmail tactics just to keep up the numbers because some arse further up the chain has only just realised what we've all known for the past 2,5,10,15,20 years

 

[billy bollox]

Effectively I am a licenced Avionic Engineer on type which in civvie street would command at least 36k basic a year. I'm getting the same pay as a chef who will only work in 3 places the airmans mess SNCO's mess or Officers mess with the odd detachment to a field kitchen.
In my time in I have spent the best part of 4 yrs 3months on various 'Q' courses to learn different aircraft types and technical courses. The chefs bless em go to chef school for 6-8 months and and learn by on the job (correct me if I'm wrong) coupled with this is the rocks, again they are in the higher pay bracket and being paid the same as a techie Cpl. This again undervalues aircraft techies all over.

Well said Impboy, hit it right on the head. Most Q courses I've been on last more than most trades trade trg course. Add multi skilling to that and trg for eng Auths etc...yet "pound for pound" we feel undervalued. For the risk of starting a new thread in Fight Club, what I'm trying to get across is that we all feel undervalued in our various trades at the moment. Take take take and no give back. A "thank-you" will many times suffice but all it seems to be at the moment is do it or else.
Yes, we are a disciplined force but a good ole bit of back slapping goes a long way.
ACOS....value what you have, it won't be around for longDT_Xtremez_28:

 

[Captain Gatso]

Oh my god has it really come to this now, well it was always going to be just a matter of time before the penny dropped in the airship office. I would have loved to have a chance to say to ACOS what they could do to make me change my mind when I PVR'd. However I could not see any pigs flying past my window before they acted on what I would have told them. Monty and others have hit the nail firmly on the head with there posts. Impboy mate, you can earn a hell of lot more than 36k for being a licencsed avionics engineer. I am unlicensed and I am earning over 32k at the moment as basic. I know B2 bods who earn 50K+. And that is not being a shift leader either. It's sad that the RAF is now having to plead with folks to stay in. This should not be happening but the airships have only themselves to blame on this.:S

 

[cyder]

I put in my PVR after 23 1/2 years to leave at the 25 year point. This cut my service down from 30 which I had signed up for.

With about a year to go I was offered to remain in another 3 years on top of my 5 still to do = 8 years.

Laugh........ Told them to ram it.

Been out side for 8 months now I don't regret leaving one bit. Life on the out side is sweeter than you think.

Jobs are not a problem.

I feel sorry for the young folks left in going to the sand pit all the time. Keep your heads down get a trade go to college etc. and get out as soon as you can.

 

[goatblower]

There's also a signal doing the rounds inviting anyone who is signed on for 22yrs, and is in their last two years service, to apply for up to 3yrs continuance. This offer is open to all trades, not just the select few that were offered it before.QUOTE]

MWD, or anybody else for that matter, have you got any further info on this?
Just been promoted, yes it happens, and need to sign on to do the 2 yrs in the rank to get the pension. Only 89 days short, but would rather not sign on for LOS 30.

Cheers.

 

[MrMasher]

There's also a signal doing the rounds inviting anyone who is signed on for 22yrs, and is in their last two years service, to apply for up to 3yrs continuance. This offer is open to all trades, not just the select few that were offered it before.QUOTE]

MWD, or anybody else for that matter, have you got any further info on this?
Just been promoted, yes it happens, and need to sign on to do the 2 yrs in the rank to get the pension. Only 89 days short, but would rather not sign on for LOS 30.

Cheers.

I remember seeing it on the ACOS website, might have been in one of the personnel bulletins.

 

[metimmee]

This has just happened...

I answer phone at work.

Voice says "This is XXXX at ACOS Manning, can I speak to YYYY"

Me - "Sorry, she's not about at the moment - anything I can help with"

XXXX - "Well, I'm ringing to see if she'll recind her PVR"

Me - "WTF!!!"

XXXX - "Yes, we are ringing everyone who has a PVR in to see if they'll change their mind"

Me - "Is it really that bad that you guys have to do something as humiliating as that?"

XXXX - "Yes"

What next - cold calling with a recorded message from CAS asking us if we'd all get back on his magic carpet?

The mind boggles!

I guess the "if you dont like it, then leave" message the Airships were peddling has backfired DT_Xtremez_40:

 

[Chad Norman]

Just been promoted, yes it happens, and need to sign on to do the 2 yrs in the rank to get the pension. Only 89 days short, but would rather not sign on for LOS 30.

Cheers.

Congrats goatblower!

Is the 2 yrs in rank to get the enhanced pension still applicable? I keep hearing a different version at work that '2 yrs' no longer applies and that it is purely on final salary. Used to be a sticking point when getting your chief, do 2 years then get the FS pension!

Any Admin types know the good gen?

Cheers guys

Chad (Fairy Clown)

DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[goatblower]

Congrats goatblower!

Is the 2 yrs in rank to get the enhanced pension still applicable? I keep hearing a different version at work that '2 yrs' no longer applies and that it is purely on final salary. Used to be a sticking point when getting your chief, do 2 years then get the FS pension!

Any Admin types know the good gen?

Cheers guys

Chad (Fairy Clown)

DT_Xtremez_28:

Chad,
yep, the 2 year thingy still applies for the '75 pension scheme (it is in the AFPS 75 guidelines on the web) and the pensions people in Glasgee confirmed this. The guys that were offered redundancy and had less than 2 yrs but more than 1 yr in the rank were offered a proportional pension based on the second year. Hence I will have to sign on to LOS 30 for the extra 89 days, but put my notice in a year and a day before the two years is up. Final salary is for the new 'improved' payyouless pension. Still, an extra 89 days for the FS wonga should be no hardship!

 

[Chad Norman]

Goatblower,

Nice one fella, that clears that one up. We were obviously getting confused between the two schemes. It's probably been done to death already but I wonder how many guys signed up to the new scheme compared to people staying put? and how many regret moving? oh well!

Anyway, cheers.

Chad

 

[goatblower]

It's probably been done to death already but I wonder how many guys signed up to the new scheme compared to people staying put? and how many regret moving?

I did the maths when it first came out- leave at 40, 40-60 loose 80K on the new scheme. No-brainer really.

 

[Frequency Wild]

2 Years in rank for pension

2 Years in rank for pension

Apparently the pension is now based on days in the rank rather than years. Provided you do over one year in the rank you will get 12/24 of the pension increase, 18 months in the rank 18/24 of pension increase etc upto the two year point. So if you are 89 days short of the two years in rank you would get the full increase in pension minus the 89 days (21/24). Hope this helps.