Saurez banned

[busby1971]

This was a tribunal that looks at carrying out reasonable actions following a degree of propability, which whilst it could be as low as 50.0000000000000001% it would normally be a little higher, Evra's evidence appears to have been more believable and Saurez's considerably less so, it looks like he admitted what he said but considers it to have been misinterpreted, kicking someone because they are black is related to a term of endearment, the kick probably had nothing to do with his colour and more the passion of the moment but the language then used inflamed it.

John Terry is going to a court of law which will have a higher burden of proof and will be a completely different kettle of fish, how you are going to get an unbiased jury I don't know with that one.

 

[firestorm]

Whereas your club only say its OK to physically assault someone.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/soccer-player-jailed-for-foul-play-1577101.html

Nice club.

And before you bother, the fact that it was 15 years ago is irrelevant, your club chose to show support for a player who had been convicted of a criminal offence in a court of law. Mine is standing by a player who has been convicted by a tribunal on the basis of evidene it clearly believes does not justify the decision.

↲To be fair do you think you should be taking the moral high ground with your clubs already poor reputation?

 

[firestorm]

So the Liverpool player Saurez is a racist because a fellow football player said he is. Yet as Insty points out there is no video, no witnesses etc etc. But it's an argument that can't be won in the polarised world of footy fans so Liverpool should now take the ban and get on with it. What size of ban awaits John Terry for whose offence there is video footage and of course the legal clincher now set that regardless of facts or evidence another fellow football player says he did it.

The report states that he was found guilty on the balance of probability using witness testimony and video evidence. The panel was also independent from the FA. Take the punishment and move on.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

↲To be fair do you think you should be taking the moral high ground

Didn't think I was to be honest, just pointing out that clubs often stand by their man thats all.

↲with your clubs already poor reputation?

Straw man argument.

 

[Tin basher]

In the Saurez/Evra affair the tribunal gave greater credence to Evra's verbal evidence than Suarez's verbal evidence and duly applied a fine and ban. Now regardless of anyones stance on the issue it's now a matter of historical fact that a large ban/small fine has been handed down. Fast forward to the Terry/Ferdinand affair what the beeswax are the FA going to do if the court throw it out, yet Ferdiniand remains adamant it happened. How will the FA react then? When within the crazy world of planet football it's the word of just one player who is adamant, regardless of Terry's protestations or anyone elses view, that another used racist language against him. Massive tin of worms.

 

[CC]

I like your friendly use of the term "dippers" I'm glad you choose not to use negative labels to identify certain parts of the community, oh wait....

Where I come from, Dippers is a term of endearment..........it means fellow football enthusiasts that originate from Liverpool.

What's good enough for the Goose DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Fast forward to the Terry/Ferdinand affair what the beeswax are the FA going to do if the court throw it out, yet Ferdiniand remains adamant it happened.

I'm not certain that Ferdinand actually heard anything on the pitch at the time though. Terry approached him in the tunnel area after the game, after he'd heard that an incriminating video of him had been posted on Youtube, and thought he'd made his peace the the QPR player. It was only afterwards when Anton himself found out about the video that the sh1tstorm started. So he can't now insist it happened in the way that is being alleged if he didn't hear it in the first place.
Now, in the Suarez case we are told that Evra called Suarez a 'South American' a statement of fact but one that can be delivered by a European Spanish speaker in a way that is intended to p1ss off South Americans. Suarez said HE never heard that and the FA tribunal didn't consider it important, whether that was because they know Suarez didn't hear it or because they believe it couldn't possibly be offensive is unclear.
Its a complete and utter buggers muddle, and people think I'm being blinkered for pointing all this out DT_Xtremez_06:

 

[CC]

Just seen the news on Gary Ablett, RiP fella.

 

[firestorm]

Gary Ablett was a proper footballer who managed to cross the divide and managed to retain the respect of the fans and retain his dignity. He knew how to behave and I dont think his name should even be used on this thread as he deserves better.

 

[firestorm]

Didn't think I was to be honest, just pointing out that clubs often stand by their man thats all.



Straw man argument.

Really? Its not a discussion that a fan of your club should get into without taking dogs abuse.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Really? Its not a discussion that a fan of your club should get into without taking dogs abuse.

Yeah really.

 

[Hammer and stillson]

Where I come from, Dippers is a term of endearment..........it means fellow football enthusiasts that originate from Liverpool.

What's good enough for the Goose DT_Xtremez_15:

I thought we only came from Norway and I pretty sure I've never heard and Everton fan called a "dipper". We need to just take the ban and move on now, the club have been made to look foolish now the report has come out and it'll be interesting to see how Suarez gets punished by them.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

As interesting as the debate is gents, can I remind you to stay on topic and leave the handbags at dawn stuff for fight club please?

Otherwise the hand of mod may need to clean the thread up.

Cheers

 

[propersplitbrainme]

We need to just take the ban and move on now, the club have been made to look foolish now the report has come out ......

On the basis that virtually the whole footballing world has accepted the verdict, albeit delivered on evidence and in a manner most individuals would be unlikely to accept being on the recieving end of themselves, I think this is likely to happen.

 

[firestorm]

The evidence given is akin to work place discipline and occurs every week in normal employment. You are correct though, he should accept it and the club should try for a level of damage limitation from this whole sorry affair

 

[Harry B'Stard]

On the basis that virtually the whole footballing world has accepted the verdict, albeit delivered on evidence and in a manner most individuals would be unlikely to accept being on the recieving end of themselves, I think this is likely to happen.

I thought all matches had directional microphones around the pitch... although had heard that they didn't broadcast them LIVE due to 'Bad Language'.

Should this lead to all players having to wear a personal micro-phone so that EVERY indiscretion can be heard and dealt with?

HTB

 

[insty66]

Where I come from, Dippers is a term of endearment..........it means fellow football enthusiasts that originate from Liverpool.

What's good enough for the Goose DT_Xtremez_15:

By your logic then Suarez is innocent, good man, knew you'd see senseDT_Xtremez_14:

I thought we only came from Norway and I pretty sure I've never heard and Everton fan called a "dipper". We need to just take the ban and move on now, the club have been made to look foolish now the report has come out and it'll be interesting to see how Suarez gets punished by them.

On the basis that virtually the whole footballing world has accepted the verdict, albeit delivered on evidence and in a manner most individuals would be unlikely to accept being on the recieving end of themselves, I think this is likely to happen.

I'm not so sure, Suarez now has the threat of a long ban, possibly lifetime hanging over him all because a panel accepted someones word over his. I understand the whole process but don't get how they got to where they are.

As for the Terry situation.. The FA are in a world of trouble because under their process we just need to belive that in the balance of probabilities he abused Ferdinand and bang 8 matches even if cleared in a court where the burden of evidence is much higher.

In the Suarez/Evra incident I've come to the conclusion neither have been entireley honest, they were trying to wind each other up, but who said what to who and how will never be known.

I sure as hell don't think the FA arrived at the full truth.

 

[insty66]

I thought all matches had directional microphones around the pitch... although had heard that they didn't broadcast them LIVE due to 'Bad Language'.

Should this lead to all players having to wear a personal micro-phone so that EVERY indiscretion can be heard and dealt with?

HTB

There are directional mikes but if they picked anything up it's not mentioned in the report.

Wearing mikes, who'd want the job sifting through the languages, dialects and accents? Might be a starting point though!

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Should this lead to all players having to wear a personal micro-phone so that EVERY indiscretion can be heard and dealt with?

Don't know about players, I know refs have sometimes been mike'd up to catch abuse being aimed at them by players. Spurs stewards recently started using helmet cams when Chelsea played there to try and pick out trouble makers in the crowd. Good idea if you ask me, I loathe the personal abuse aimed at players by fans; its not banter some of it is just vile.

I'm not so sure, Suarez now has the threat of a long ban, possibly lifetime hanging over him all because a panel accepted someones word over his. I understand the whole process but don't get how they got to where they are.

Well he has an 8 match ban hanging over him, that could potentially get a lot worse if an appeal is considered 'frivolous' and the ban conseuently extended. Not sure how that goes to a lifetime ban to be honest.
Now, they could appeal on the basis that Suarez has apologised citing the FAs own appeal to UEFA viz Wayne Rooney as a precedent, but that of course means accepting Luis' guilt.

 

[CC]

Apparently the FA said two more similar incidents could lead to a lifetime suspension.