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State of TG4

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State of TG4

  • Happy thanks.

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • Not happy but will stay for pension/job security.

    Votes: 22 44.9%

  • Not happy thinking of PVR'ing.

    Votes: 10 20.4%

  • Very happy already PVR'd.

    Votes: 12 24.5%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
chumpzilla said:
We are all entitled to an opinion, Green Man. I just wonder what qualifies you to decide who deserves employment?
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I don't care about what qualifies who what and where I just think that you love to make your TG11 bashing comments and that drivel you post actually demonstrates you are all about yourself, does being a team player actually register in your thoughts. Your comments actually make me feel embarrassed to be a member of the Royal Air Force, camaraderie, mutual respect (AP1) and looking out for your fellow tradesman obviously mean nothing to you (unless you are ex TG3 I suppose).

I am ranting I know, but you know what I had a life changing event 6 weeks ago and I thought today I am not going to sit back and read the crap that's posted without saying something back.
 
chumpzilla said:
Reading this post with interest also, does this mean that if I PVR, the trade will magically become excellent?
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No, but the RAF will be shot of one more self centered, negative, blame everyone else attitude Airman that we would definitely not miss !
 
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I think that this has gone a little bit extreme.... Trade bashing between the ex3's and 11's has always been intense. Like I said before, Tg4 should have been a separate trade altogether and those who wanted to join it could and those who wanted to look after the legacy side.....could!

Somehow, between all my tripe and non AP1-like behaviour ;) that snippet was lost. You chose to criticise the posts and not read the serious point nestled in the banter.

I get the impression that you're ex11 by the way
 
chumpzilla said:
I think that this has gone a little bit extreme.... Trade bashing between the ex3's and 11's has always been intense. Like I said before, Tg4 should have been a separate trade altogether and those who wanted to join it could and those who wanted to look after the legacy side.....could!

Somehow, between all my tripe and non AP1-like behaviour ;) that snippet was lost. You chose to criticise the posts and not read the serious point nestled in the banter.

I get the impression that you're ex11 by the way
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I am dripping like a leaky bucket I know, however did you guess I was ex11, I just want to get on with life, do the best job I can for my kids so I can provide and show them the right way.
 
Medium or Large? A Large is recommended as this "film" may go on for quite a while :PDT_Xtremez_19::PDT_Xtremez_19:.

Salty or Sweet? :PDT_Xtremez_31:

Would you like a drink with that? M&Ms?
 
chumpzilla said:
Like I said before, Tg4 should have been a separate trade altogether and those who wanted to join it could and those who wanted to look after the legacy side.....could!
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Agreed! Massively!

The biggest problem this trade has is no matter what anyone says, there are still a lot of "Techie" jobs and a lot of "Non Techie Jobs" Ex 3 have the technical knowledge to fall back on, and therefore can doo all the jobs. Ex 11 do not have the technical knowledge (Assimilation was a joke) and therefore SOME do not have the technical knowledge to fall back on, and are put into jobs they are not equipped to succeed at. Thats not a dig, nor an Ex 3/11 attack, it's a FACT and has a real effect in the workplace.

The trade also has some other glaring issues. Someone tounched upon the FS who has done a many years in the same job, not her fault she did her job and got promoted fair and square. Manning should never have allowed her to stay in the same role year after year without it having an impact on promotability.

This issue is the main reason I left 90SU, and the reason I will never go back. To see so many "High Flyers" shooting through the ranks, moving squadrons, jumping between FGW and TCW. They dress it up as different jobs or new challenges, yet it all amounts to shuffling along in the comfort zone surronded by the same clique of wing wariers who have been together for 10 years plus. Is it right that we have FS's with almost no experience in the wider trade?

SJARs dont work, with assessment creep being as bad as it ever was, there is no movement within the trade and cherry picking still happens, blatantly! Theres no incentive to move on for proffesional develeopment when you can just ride it out, get written up by your mates, stay in the same unit and hit the ground running in your new rank. Even if you wanted to move, there is some bell slammer hiding away in that location since 2005, who just got a clock reset because their phone number changed.

There is little coming down from the TS office, who are 'too busy' to even entertain the idea of dealing with the MOB's, half the trade is getting fisted by the disgrace that is AIP, they cant recruit and they cant retain. At the same time those who are on 90 get used and abused by management who wont say no, or address the issues. A huge chunk of the trade is unfit to deploy, not that there is anywhere to deploy too. Jobs going FRTS, **** pension, allowances cut, deductions rise, out of pocket on every course while civvies clain 100% actuals with no scrutiny.

The list goes on, the Trade is f*cked (possibly the RAF as a whole). Just so long as there are decent jobs to go too (there are plenty) people will continue to walk at the 12/22 year point. There is just no incentive to be a lifer any more, and I for one think that it's gonna get a whole lot worse before anyone actually gives enough F*cks to start thinking about solutions.

Rant over, need a brew!
 
Jesus H Christ, it's been a few years since I popped my large head in on this, mainly because of baiting posts like this. I agree with both sides, the trade is too diverse, no clear identity etc but to really understand where we are today you need to look back to the decision making in 2002/2003 and where as a trade the two were really going, no where. The trade sponsors or what ever they are now called seemingly do nothing more than whipping up this bad feeling.

I'm lucky enough to work with 14 other trades, and believe me we are not in that bad a shape, many are in the real situation of disappearing very soon. What is sad and embarrassing is when I meet TG4 guys the first question an ex3 will ALWAYS ask is my back ground, which is puzzling.

What's the answer, I don't know but the longer we continue ripping each other on here and this is not banter, the longer the new guys (proper ICT) will laugh and enjoy the spectical.
 
There was baiting from both ends and it's a historic battle that will go on until the last of us fade away or leave through natural wastage. Amongst all the harsh craic there has been a few truths.... The trade is a little confused. The title doesn't fit the bill....
 
This is all interesting to me. My view is as a reservist currently in BRTC and due to complete Halton in a few weeks time. At this time, nothing is known about the trade training I will undergo after Halton. Little is known about how reservists will be used within TG4 it seems. I understand 600 Sqn are ahead of the curve and have some in-house training in progress, but those of us on other squadrons are in the dark.

Personally, I'd love to head towards the Cyber element of the role. I bring 12 years commercial software development and systems administration experience to the table but I'm unsure whether this will be of any use within the trade. All I head about is iHubs and TCW/90SU. I presume these account for the vast majority of posts in the group?

Anyway, I'm still looking forward to it all as I walk into the dark unknown. I do hope it's not as negative as is made out on here. Vocal minority syndrome perhaps?
 
Surfr,

We are legacy bods and most of the comments made have been made in the past and the cycle of trade bashing continues.... Personally, I never chose to move trades, it was a "do it or you have no future" option. I'd like to think that you take the abusive banter between folks with a pinch of salt!

Good luck through the rest of your training :)
 
We should be extremely thankful for not going the same way as many trades including TG1, where contracts were not renewed and people chopped in their hundreds, to say I didn't ask to move trades is puzzling, you were not in any way forced to stay, it's another example of the RAF owing us a living, bull ****, they owe us nothing there is nothing stopping any body from leaving. I understand the trade numbers are dire at the moment, but snap so are others.
 
My main gripe with TG4 is this, look back at all the posts on this tread, what mention of the ex TG5 element of TG4?? We always seem to be overlooked and if we are included, it always seems to be as an afterthought.
 
I am thankful for many things.... I just found it a bit pants when they moved us all into one trade and gave a whole bunch of folks higher pay for doing a lot of the legacy stuff they are akin to. Im not going to go down the same old road of who got this, that and the other.... It's tiring....

You're right, the RAF don't owe me anything. It's my choice to stay put, gain more experience and better qualifications and then retire with hopefully a sense of achievement after giving a portion of my life to the service.

We can all sit on here and sound off, but no one knows each other's personal circumstances.... Why we choose a secure job over an unsecured future..... I'm just happy at where I've got to so far. Which is not being a selfish to$$er or anything like that, but through hard work and a couple of lucky opportunities, which I have seized.
 
Hai Ryar Serig Ger said:
My main gripe with TG4 is this, look back at all the posts on this tread, what mention of the ex TG5 element of TG4?? We always seem to be overlooked and if we are included, it always seems to be as an afterthought.
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That's because you lot are good at what you do!! Think they had plans to integrate your trade into the whole shebang thinking "anyone can climb and work at height" when in effect that didn't work out as you guys are very niche and technical. There was no point bringing you guys into TG4. They should have left you in the TG5 bracket and saved themselves a lot of money.

Hope that helps.
 
even if TG4 was set up as a new trade everyone would be up **** creek

Tg3 - loosing to Marshals
TG11- DII taking on high grade messaging
Tg4 - DII and other contracts taking the workload.


the Tg3 vs Tg11 spat whilst is serious, is like watching too toddlers throwing their teddies out the pram in asda. It just distracts from the fundamental issue that we have all been shafted by the MOD's drive to save money and outsource the majority of the work.
 
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