Trade Group 1 Pay Rise

[Webbo]

One of my liney's came from the Stn Cdr's briefing yesterday with some interesting quotes from the man himself, but the one that got me listening was that the heads of the MOD/RAF know they have royally fcuked up with the pay for other trades going to higher pay band, they apparently realise how disenchanted Techies gave become and to that end Stn Cdr, from what he is hearing, is that all Trade Group 1, all ranks will next pay review be recieving between 8-10% pay rise. Anyone else heard anything.

Also at SNCO's Stn Cdr brief on Monday he was saying that the new pay rise when promoted from Cpl to Sgt was going to be 8%.

Please don't turn this thread into a trade v trade pay dispute, just printing what was being mentioned during these briefings.

Any other info would be great.

 

[Chilliboy]

One of my liney's came from the Stn Cdr's briefing yesterday with some interesting quotes from the man himself, but the one that got me listening was that the heads of the MOD/RAF know they have royally fcuked up with the pay for other trades going to higher pay band, they apparently realise how disenchanted Techies gave become and to that end Stn Cdr, from what he is hearing, is that all Trade Group 1, all ranks will next pay review be recieving between 8-10% pay rise. Anyone else heard anything.

Also at SNCO's Stn Cdr brief on Monday he was saying that the new pay rise when promoted from Cpl to Sgt was going to be 8%.

Please don't turn this thread into a trade v trade pay dispute, just printing what was being mentioned during these briefings.

Any other info would be great.

The only way TG 1 can get a higher pay rise than the other trades on the higher pay band is to be moved into a third (even higher) pay band which does not exist and in all probability, will not exist. So I can't see it happening myself.

 

[Odie]

Interesting and nice if it happens, DT_Xtremez_28:but I'll be more likely to believe it when I see it published officially.

 

[BJW]

I think the Stn Cdr needs some counselling on the damage that can be caused by unsubstantiated rumours. To do this would require a complete re-hash of Pay 2000 and JPA that I am sure is not do-able between now and Apr 09. Even just to add a few more increments to each of the scales to account for "technical pay" would, I am sure be a massive job for the programmers and bean counters.

I was at a AFPRB brief a few weeks ago and none of this was mentioned, they are the ones who would have to propose such a radical change to the current system.

Agree this is not a trade v trade thing, I just think it is to big a job to do in just a few months

 

[glassestashthunderflash]

The only way TG 1 can get a higher pay rise than the other trades on the higher pay band is to be moved into a third (even higher) pay band which does not exist and in all probability, will not exist. So I can't see it happening myself.

Why not just create one or find a work round? How hard can that be?

 

[rest have risen above me]

Why not just create one or find a work round? How hard can that be?

Even if it is hard, the shineys should be able to cope, which is perfectly obvious as shown by them being on the upper payband...

Sorry Webbo couldn't help that one...

I find it strange that this hasn't filtered through earlier so unfortunately I'll have to take it with a pinch of salt...

 

[The Stig A.D.I.]

Why not write to Santa at the North Pole - You never know... DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[billy bollox]

Very difficult to sort a TG 1 pay increase as its linked jointly to Pay 2000 accross the MOD. Interesting that a few of us have heard about a possible re-structure to a "technical band"
Lets see how things develop.

What Stn was it mentioned at, can it be said at this point??

 

[feckinG RANT]

At a recent visit by AOC 1 Group to CMU, RAF Marham a question was asked, direct to him, about Techie pay (in relation to other trades going on the higher band but let's not turn this in to a slagging match) to which he replied that it was going to be reviewed early next year.

 

[metimmee]

I cant see a new payband being implemented any time soon because it would have to be rolled out across all three Services. The only way this could be worked around is by adding an allowance type but even that needs a JPA upgrade. This could be implemented as a single Service allowance(ready to be corrected by adminers). However with the economy as it is, job losses in the civvy strasse headlining every day I would expect retention to improve without the need for higher technician pay.

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

Is it April 1st?
I'll believe it when i see it.
Question is if it's true will it stop the mass outflow we seem to have.

DT_Xtremez_35:DT_Xtremez_35:DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[PVRisthefuture]

Sounds like tosh to me. If the point is to harmonise trades again, by gving techies more money, why only TG1? Surely all techies in all other TGs will PVR in protest? And where is this extra money coming from, heard about latest defence cut backs?

This rumour reminds me of the one about the Air Force being renamed Royal Air Malitia due to not enough personnel to be classed as as a force. Royal Air Mailitia, IT section - brilliant... ring ring "RAMIT, how can I help?"

 

[glassestashthunderflash]

If the point is to harmonise trades again, by gving techies more money, why only TG1? Surely all techies in all other TGs will PVR in protest?

That's half the problem, TG 1&2 shouldn't be harmonised with other techies in other TG's. I'm not saying that TG 1&2 techies are better than others but the standard they are expected to work to are much higher. Fact.

Does an engineer at McClaren get paid the same as a guy that fixes Eddie Stobart's trucks? I think not.

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

That's half the problem, TG 1&2 shouldn't be harmonised with other techies in other TG's. I'm not saying that TG 1&2 techies are better than others but the standard they are expected to work to are much higher. Fact.

Does an engineer at McClaren get paid the same as a gut that fixes Eddie Stobart's trucks? I think not.

No and the travel opportunities are slightly better too>DT_Xtremez_30:

I hate all of this 'us techies deserve more money' bitching.
But it is right we bloody well do!

DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[Downsizer]

To do this would require a complete re-hash of Pay 2000 and JPA that I am sure is not do-able between now and Apr 09. Even just to add a few more increments to each of the scales to account for "technical pay" would, I am sure be a massive job for the programmers and bean counters.

The only way TG 1 can get a higher pay rise than the other trades on the higher pay band is to be moved into a third (even higher) pay band which does not exist and in all probability, will not exist. So I can't see it happening myself.

Really? So...

Why not just create one or find a work round? How hard can that be?

Not hard at all I would have thought, make it just like flying pay. No need for a third pay band or anything else. Just an extra amount to trade group 1.

 

[sinnick]

A week in the life of a Trade Group 1 SNCO.

Monday 0600 pick up minibus from MT flight and self drive 120 miles with a team to recover an aircraft. 12 hours later down tools to avoid being 'out of driver hours' and head 8 miles to a Navy base for a night stop.

Tuesday 0700drive back to aircraft to continue rects. By 1630 aircraft is airborne en-route home. Depart for the 120 mile drive back to base.1930 arrived back and depart for home.

Wednesday 0730 arrive for work to de-prep from the last 2 days and spend all morning sorting the paperwork,spares and tools. Then de-fod,wash and fuel the minibus before returning it. Catch a trip to stores to sort uniform for forthcoming out of area deployment (8 months after last 4 month OOA). Rest of day spent carrying out Independent inspections and filling out paperwork for said inspections. Depart 1700.

Thursday 0730 arrive for work to co-ordinate a control restriction investigation. All day spent inspecting, liasing with industry/aircrew/Eng O, and testing to find the problem. depart 1700.

Friday 0730 arrive for work, dish out task for the mech shift. Carry out independent inspection on a tail assembly. Change into flying suit and carry out flying maintainer duties to assertain serviceability of A/C. Flight around the countryside in an unserviceable aircraft proved fruitless...further adjustments required. Have SJARS to write now for lads i seldom see and hardly know due to courses and OOA commitments.


What a contrast when for the same money I could have sat in MT, PSF, PEd Flt Regt Sect etc. I am not having a pop at these trades...i want to be one !! Can i re-muster to a job that has loads less responsibility for the same money?? Equal rights for all?? I am not against everyone else being paid more, i just think equality of responsibility should be a major factor in scaling. Perhaps a shift allowance for the fact i spend every other week on night shift??
Higher pay band for techs? not going to happen probably...but to be able to work 0800-1700 would be nice for a bit!

 

[Geeza]

As somebody else has already pointed out, there is already provision to enhance pay for individuals, and groups of individuals including retention bonuses. If the rest of the government sector is anything to go by they will use targeted temporary enhanced pay and bonuses to overcome recruitment and retention problems.

 

[True Blue Jack]

The mechanics of amending the payroll program is the easy part - operational allowance was introduced almost overnight, for example.

Where it is difficult is getting all the interested people to sign off on the policy, which would of necessity include the other Service chiefs. The RN are smarting from the further delays to their aircraft carriers, how likely is the First Sea Lord to agree to the £5M (guesstimated) needed for 2000 RAF techies to get an 8% pay rise? What about techies in the AAC and FAA? I can't see Air Troopers being paid more than Sappers or Craftsmen so that would mean the RE and REME also get this supposed pay rise. If REME get it, what about our own Gen Techs?

It will be great if it happens, but for the time being I am sceptical.

 

[Mightierthan]

A week in the life of a Trade Group 1 SNCO.

Monday 0600 pick up minibus from MT flight and self drive 120 miles with a team to recover an aircraft.

Tuesday 0700drive back to aircraft to continue rects. By 1630 aircraft is airborne en-route home. Depart for the 120 mile drive back to base.1930 arrived back and depart for home.

Wednesday 0730 arrive for work to de-prep from the last 2 days and spend all morning sorting the paperwork ..... wash and fuel the minibus before returning it. Catch a trip to stores .... filling out paperwork for said inspections. Depart 1700.

Thursday 0730 arrive for work to co-ordinate a control restriction investigation. All day spent inspecting, liasing with industry/aircrew/Eng O, and testing to find the problem. depart 1700.

Friday 0730 arrive for work, dish out task for the mech shift. .... inspection on a tail assembly. .... have SJARS to write ....

Can i re-muster to a job that has loads less responsibility for the same money?? .... i just think equality of responsibility should be a major factor in scaling.


So, Mon & Tue you were carrying out the duties of an MTD, Wed was a bit of admin and more driving, Thu you done something techie I don't understand, then chatted for a bit and on Friday you ordered some people around and inspected their work. And all this justifies you being on a higher pay band than MT and admin bods? How did your driving involve more responsibility than an MT driver's driving? How much responsibility and technical knowhow went into washing your bus? You guys have absolutely nothing to complain about!

 

[Geeza]

A week in the life of a Trade Group 1 SNCO.

Monday 0600 pick up minibus from MT flight and self drive 120 miles with a team to recover an aircraft.

Tuesday 0700drive back to aircraft to continue rects. By 1630 aircraft is airborne en-route home. Depart for the 120 mile drive back to base.1930 arrived back and depart for home.

Wednesday 0730 arrive for work to de-prep from the last 2 days and spend all morning sorting the paperwork ..... wash and fuel the minibus before returning it. Catch a trip to stores .... filling out paperwork for said inspections. Depart 1700.

Thursday 0730 arrive for work to co-ordinate a control restriction investigation. All day spent inspecting, liasing with industry/aircrew/Eng O, and testing to find the problem. depart 1700.

Friday 0730 arrive for work, dish out task for the mech shift. .... inspection on a tail assembly. .... have SJARS to write ....

Can i re-muster to a job that has loads less responsibility for the same money?? .... i just think equality of responsibility should be a major factor in scaling.


So, Mon & Tue you were carrying out the duties of an MTD, Wed was a bit of admin and more driving, Thu you done something techie I don't understand, then chatted for a bit and on Friday you ordered some people around and inspected their work. And all this justifies you being on a higher pay band than MT and admin bods? How did your driving involve more responsibility than an MT driver's driving? How much responsibility and technical knowhow went into washing your bus? You guys have absolutely nothing to complain about!

He we go!! Lol.::/:DT_Xtremez_32:DT_Xtremez_25: