Trade Group 1 Pay Rise

[MrMasher]

Oh,this internal briefing notice thing i read.... A team has been set up to assess the pay system,and the "plan" is to have a review completed by the end of the year (calendar or financial i dont know) and there will be a recomendation to come from it...it even says they may have to replace the pay2000 system with a different system

Did it say which year? 2015 maybe???

Bythe way, everything else you said was spot on and well put.

 

[metimmee]

And how much do they pay their adminers?

And as for TG4, here are a couple of jobs that I am currently qualified for:

Here

and

Here

Then there's the £65k certain aerospace firm are offering to work on a certain project in Saudi.


We can all spin the facts to our benefit......

I'm not spinning anything. It took 20 seconds to find the job I posted as an example...because I'd seen pages of similar jobs in the NewScientist some time ago. I remember thinking at the time that maybe I wasnt doing so badly after seeing highly qualified folks getting paid less than handsomely for their academic labours. Although I believe these posts are usually filled by fresh post-doc graduates who move on to better things.

Assuming that because we're technicians we ought to have the highest salaries is painting a simplistic picture of the jobs market in my opinion. This is propped up by the assumption that we are somehow cleverer or more worthy than non-technicians. To assume that those that are employed in an administrative function are paid lowly salaries is also false, google "MBA salaries" to see what I mean. Lets face it, the best paid in the world are generally not worker bees.

 

[The Masked Geek]

Although I believe these posts are usually filled by fresh post-doc graduates who move on to better things.

Hence the comment about spin.

You probably wouldn't find a guy with 10+ years experience doing it for that money.


Lower skilled jobs attract lower wages because there are a lot more people who are capable of doing them.

Higher skilled jobs attract higher wages as there are fewer people who are capable of doing them.

It's simple economics.

As for admin, the wife was a HR manager in an international retail group with overall responsibility for 3 sites and over 1200 personnel; she was paid a mere £27k and holds a degree.

 

[enginesuck]

And how much do they pay their adminers?

And as for TG4, here are a couple of jobs that I am currently qualified for:

Here

and

Here

Then there's the £65k certain aerospace firm are offering to work on a certain project in Saudi.


We can all spin the facts to our benefit......

Obviously im not privvy to your CV buy ill take a punt on this one... one of those jobs stated the following :

MUST HAVE INVESTEMENT/FUND/ASSET MANAGEMENT OR INSTITUTIONAL BANKING EXPERIENCE!

Im not sure being T bar treasurer will cut it in this instance!

 

[metimmee]

Obviously im not privvy to your CV buy ill take a punt on this one... one of those jobs stated the following :

MUST HAVE INVESTEMENT/FUND/ASSET MANAGEMENT OR INSTITUTIONAL BANKING EXPERIENCE!

Im not sure being T bar treasurer will cut it in this instance!

Maybe TMG misread "INSTITUTIONAL BANKING EXPERIENCE"DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[tag_lincoln]

For info the general concept the 'team' are looking at is to have 4 or 5 levels instead of the current 2, this means that trades will be more spread out and not just fall into higher or lower. It will still be based on the current Job Evaluation system so they will effectively decide which level your trade goes into, the other difference is that the whole trade will fall into the same level instead of moving up and down between ranks. Ie the average Job Evaluation will be used and the trade put into that level.

Just because the team make the above recommendation (or something similar) it doesn't mean it will get accepted, after all the MOD is skint so anything new has to be a no cost option.

The above is gen by the way as Mrs TL was told it by one of the other mum's at toddler group.

 

[BillyBunter]

Well if we are comparing jobs why does a pilot earn more than an aircraft technician . Why does a pilot earn three times as much.

Reasons ?

 

[duffman]

Supply and demand.

 

[BillyBunter]

Yeah , its so difficult to do its only special people that can do it. So it pays more . Same reason when people join up , if you have brains but not enough to make Jockey they either put you to Aircrew or Engineering , then there is levels all the way down which reflects how well you done at attestation.

So to me that indicates levels of skill and that gets paid accordingly

but we have 3 levels of pay , Officers , Aircrew and other ranks

 

[duffman]

Yeah , its so difficult to do its only special people that can do it. So it pays more . Same reason when people join up , if you have brains but not enough to make Jockey they either put you to Aircrew or Engineering , then there is levels all the way down which reflects how well you done at attestation.

So to me that indicates levels of skill and that gets paid accordingly

but we have 3 levels of pay , Officers , Aircrew and other ranks

I think it's a bit more complicated than how did best at school. Some people want to do certain jobs regardless. The RAF doesn't quite work on supply and demand we're all in the same mob, so some of the thinking is that we all paid much more similar salaries to each other rather than larger differences found in civvy street.

 

[Bucc Boy]

It's not just the pay and pension though.......It's the flying pay that goes with it! Something stupid like £700 a month weather they fly or not.

Can you imagine getting a trolly pushing job at Tesco's and then going to the manager after a couple of weeks saying, ' I know you hired me as a trolly pusher and indeed pay me a good wage to collect said trollies, but when are you going to start paying me my trolly pushing pay on top?'

 

[The Masked Geek]

Maybe TMG misread "INSTITUTIONAL BANKING EXPERIENCE"DT_Xtremez_30:

No, I read Asset Management. L2Read.

 

[thunderchild]

oooh this is vexed! I get a lot of this at work from my RAF counterparts..
I'm level 3 of 6 allowed in my trade, yet my buddies of equal rank who are level 7 of 7 (in the same trade)get paid less.

What am I? a RN medic...which means apparently the MOD believes I'm a techie, but not RAF medics...how unfair.

 

[mumbles]

Having just spend a considerable period of time working with RN, Army combat medics and RAF medics in theatre I'm afraid that there is no way on this earth that RAF medics (in my humble opinion) deserve higher pay band, there was simply no comparison in ability. However top marks for the RAF medics abilities on paperwork.!!