Trade Group 1 Pay Rise

[mad_collie]

Don't you mean WAS the same?DT_Xtremez_42:

Yes, thanks for pointing that out, you senile old tw4t.DT_Xtremez_30:

He doesn't need to - your trade sponsors already did itDT_Xtremez_30:

See my comment above.DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[chumpzilla]

But in all fairness to the trade destroying tw@. He has got our Tg4 Ab initio's high pay band on completion of 18 months as an SAC and having completed other Q-Ops criteria. Do the AMM's get that???????? Whoops.....! Incoming...!DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Hu Jardon]

But in all fairness to the trade destroying tw@. He has got our Tg4 Ab initio's high pay band on completion of 18 months as an SAC and having completed other Q-Ops criteria. Do the AMM's get that???????? Whoops.....! Incoming...!DT_Xtremez_14:

No you are absolutely correct - the TG1 trade sponsors have their eyes even further off the ball than yours mate...................... Still as long as there are plenty of well paid engineering officers on the books they'll be happy won't theyDT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Burgerpiper]

Je

Je

The latest letter from AVM at Manning has me a little confused.. The intention was to inform us of how the JE system is put to work, I really wonder who has been carrying out the JE for Aircraft Engineers when our highest scoring (JE points) job is the WO, which has only managed a position of 25 when compared to all the services. We need to see these so called JE reports aired to the wider population to see what twaddle has been scripted. Its not just the SJAR system that over assesses the subject methinks!!

 

[T55]

The latest letter from AVM at Manning has me a little confused.. The intention was to inform us of how the JE system is put to work, I really wonder who has been carrying out the JE for Aircraft Engineers when our highest scoring (JE points) job is the WO, which has only managed a position of 25 when compared to all the services. We need to see these so called JE reports aired to the wider population to see what twaddle has been scripted. Its not just the SJAR system that over assesses the subject methinks!!

I think what it really means is that the other services have been very clever and our trade sponsor and the RAF in general have let us down badly.

 

[tubbyj]

where to get the money

where to get the money

If the problem is where do we get the money to pay for a TG 1 pay rise, I have an idea. It is RUMOURED that 20% of the defence budget is swallowed up by paying retired Air Officers who retire on full pay. Surely it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that if we give them a pension rather than full pay, then there would be enough left over to redistribute some dosh to the well deserving Techies.

 

[Realist78]

If the problem is where do we get the money to pay for a TG 1 pay rise, I have an idea. It is RUMOURED that 20% of the defence budget is swallowed up by paying retired Air Officers who retire on full pay. Surely it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that if we give them a pension rather than full pay, then there would be enough left over to redistribute some dosh to the well deserving Techies.

If this is anywhere near the truth (which given the math is unlikely), then any money saved would not be redistributed within the Service.

 

[Realist78]

If the problem is where do we get the money to pay for a TG 1 pay rise, I have an idea. It is RUMOURED that 20% of the defence budget is swallowed up by paying retired Air Officers who retire on full pay. Surely it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that if we give them a pension rather than full pay, then there would be enough left over to redistribute some dosh to the well deserving Techies.

Not according to the pensions calculator http://83.138.137.164:8080/WizDisclaimer.aspx

 

[tag_lincoln]

Only Marshalls of the RAF, Field Marshalls retired on full pay, everyone else gets a pension or retired pay, albeit a wad if your an Airship.

It doesn't matter what JE score TG1 get as you can't get any higher than high pay band unless a new pay spine is created akin to Military Nurses and Divers.

 

[ninjarabbi]

If we give techies more money can they then go on a course to learn how not to look like a bag of **** in uniform? I'm just asking!DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Grease Monkey]

TG 6 fitters

TG 6 fitters

Us TG 6 fitters don't do badly for pay, we are short at the moment and there are excellent propects for travel. DWRs every year (some for 6 month), multi-skill with those excellent GEF types, serve with our regiment friends for half of your service. You know it makes sense remuster and get a trade............... Or shut up and be thankful for what you have already.DT_Xtremez_40:

 

[Craig855s]

Anyone seen the current internal briefing notice thing? I glanced a page and a bit on the notice board but need to have a good read. It mentions that the powers that be are aware of our plight...again...but im not sure if it mentions what they plan to do about it or maybe it just summarises "tough luck boys and girls"

The trade sponsors for us are crap, pay 2000 is crap,and the people who allowed the other trade sponsors to con them for payband 1 are idiots. There needs to be a third pay band,or all the wanabes need knocking back to pay band 2 and pay band 1 should be increased a tad. (Why can I see this but others cant?)

And i think that anyone who puts their lives directly in harms way should also be on payband 1

 

[montheton]

no disrespect to anyone but in no other company does the cook, the storeman and the adminers get paid the same as the techies.

as it is, we`ll just have to put up with it because nothings going to change anytime soon.

 

[Joe_90]

No other company pays for all that training either, not a lot of people join up already fully qualified that's why they don't have to offer different wages. If you want to fix aircraft you'll join as an AMM regardless of what cooks get paid or how long the training is.

 

[chumpzilla]

No other company pays for all that training either, not a lot of people join up already fully qualified that's why they don't have to offer different wages. If you want to fix aircraft you'll join as an AMM regardless of what cooks get paid or how long the training is.

I'll echo that. What you also will have is an excellent skill set and valuable trade knowledge for life, which you have not payed for. Also, the amount of ex service going into contractor jobs is incredible, so you also have that benefit of knowing someone "on the inside".

With all the crap that's going on outside at the moment, do you really think they will justify a pay rise? Also, why do only TG1 think of themselves as the techies? Maybe if you incorporate the other TG's that do technical work in your rant then maybe you will get a more sympathetic ear...

After all, the old Tg3 training ran parallel with the Avionics trade for a large portion of time.

 

[The Masked Geek]

After all, the old Tg3 training ran parallel with the Avionics trade for a large portion of time.

Which is why I hold a BTEC in Avionics.

That said, techies should be on a higher wage. A job that demands a higher intellect or level of skill should pay a higher wage. That's just the way it is. Imagine if binmen earned more than doctors.

 

[metimmee]

Which is why I hold a BTEC in Avionics.

That said, techies should be on a higher wage. A job that demands a higher intellect or level of skill should pay a higher wage. That's just the way it is. Imagine if binmen earned more than doctors.

Or imagine if someone who had worked through their A-levels, degree (possible MSc) and Phd to earn just £30,594 pa, like this job.

Puts my OND and £33K pa in perspective.

 

[The Masked Geek]

And how much do they pay their adminers?

And as for TG4, here are a couple of jobs that I am currently qualified for:

Here

and

Here

Then there's the £65k certain aerospace firm are offering to work on a certain project in Saudi.


We can all spin the facts to our benefit......

 

[montheton]

No other company pays for all that training either, not a lot of people join up already fully qualified that's why they don't have to offer different wages. If you want to fix aircraft you'll join as an AMM regardless of what cooks get paid or how long the training is.

yes i agree you have to start at the bottom but regardless of length of training the general pay structure still stands. and so does the pay elsewhere, yes you may start as an apprentice at klm/ba or whoever but after THEY train YOU, once your training is finished you will be paid a salary to reflect this and as i said NOWHERE will a storeman or a cook be on the same salary as the technical staff.

 

[Craig855s]

Which is why I hold a BTEC in Avionics.

That said, techies should be on a higher wage. A job that demands a higher intellect or level of skill should pay a higher wage. That's just the way it is. Imagine if binmen earned more than doctors.

Remember the main point here, When i do my job wrong an aircraft carrying over 200 people can crash,into a school full of people and my life is over..when an adminer does his job wrong my pay gets ****ed up, and no-one gets reprimanded about it.

Techies (including GEF,TCOs etc) deserve more pay than chefs and keyboard jockies..but aircraft techies deserve an extra bit over the geffreys

Im not upset about what i earn at the minute,its ok (yes its more than the average civvy scumbag gets,but a civvy techie signing for the lives of over 200 passengers gets so much more)

People who make the "It could be worse,u could be homeless" etc comments need to get with it frankly, how about we knock adminers pay down to 10% below level 2 and say "quit bleating,it could be worse,we could have sacked u all"

Oh,this internal briefing notice thing i read.... A team has been set up to assess the pay system,and the "plan" is to have a review completed by the end of the year (calendar or financial i dont know) and there will be a recomendation to come from it...it even says they may have to replace the pay2000 system with a different system