Trade Group 1 Pay Rise

[MeRlIn HaTeR]

Oh, wait, you don't leave the wire do you!?

Nice one Knob head, I have, trying fobbing in Iraq on the border with Iran, no fcuking wire there.

Plus you dont either.

We are fighting already it wont change a damn thing! Also it couldn't be limited to Tg1, thus giving you and GEF something to argue for at your next review!

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

Is there a lack of oxygen getting to your brain from up there on your high horse?
I don't look down my nose at anyone (exceptions are currently being evaluated though), i just think there needs to be a pay review for TG1. Once we get more cash you can saddle up again and bleat like feck till you get parity with us.
Maybe they have decided they can't afford to pay us more, probably why last year when i did a course at Halton out of 30 SNCO's on the course 18 of whick were TG1 only 4 were planning on staying in past 22 and 1 of those taking his commission. Still there isn't a problem cos we'll promote a Cpl who's been in for 8 years, everything will be great.

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[chumpzilla]

I'll say it again pay is supposed to reflect what you would get outside. Name me one company that pays it's cooks, drivers, admin and engineers exactly the same money?DT_Xtremez_14:

Well, if we all got paid the same as industry, then shouldn't we all also pay the same rental prices for housing, etc? Maybe you should leave and come back, at least then you can dive into your money pit like Scrooge McDuck! You could add it to your pension and really laugh at your ex colleagues!

Just had a look at a software engineers wages, its 38k, and a couple of my mate who work for Paradigm are on around 50-60k a year, and they are technically workers/SAC/Cpl kind of level, are you telling me I'm being ripped off!?

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

Wouldn't want to drive into the moneypit i might damage the scooby! No good leaving either, stuck in the pention trap and unless things get better i'll be cashing it in.
If you can get that out there then yes you're being ripped off. might be time to leave dude.DT_Xtremez_30:

I'm guessing you couldn't find a company that pays all staff the same wages though, so you went down the how much can a geek get route... well done. All of TG1 salutes you.

 

[chumpzilla]

So, evidentally having a negative opinion about Tg1 "gods" is frowned upon. Just because i'm voicing an opinion that is detrimental to you a/c boys, I instantly must be some kind of retard. I am, however, sympathetic towards your lack of representation. It's a real shame. But, as this country is pretty much financially crippled thanks to the PM and his band of monkeys, I feel it a shame that you lot are screaming out for more cash. Here's another idea, send all none technical trades back to the lower pay band! That way there is parity between techs and non techs! It would save money....!DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[chumpzilla]

Thanks Fu Fu and all of Tg1, but i'm not an orrificer....yet! But when I do make the leap, i'll be sure to get on the AFPRB and whack 50% extra on Tg1's wages! That way, you can get a nice new dump valve for your Subaru!

No, seriously, thanks for the oppurtunity to practice my argumental skills, I feel that I can hold my own against 30+ years of experience! Danke!

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

It would also be miracle on par with parting the sea!
Maybe we need to save cash by getting rid of some orrificors i don't think we need as many as we have. How can we justify having a Sqn Ldr for each plane we have..... But thats another rant

 

[MeRlIn HaTeR]

then shouldn't we all also pay the same rental prices for housing

Are you aware how true that statement is? The last Annual Armed Forces pay review stated it's aim was to raise the rates in line with council housing, the only thing holding it back is the standard of accommodation.

Plus the new pension scheme hardly helps!

Have you tried the Benefits calculator? its on the intranet linked from the JPA homepage, one of my benefits is prescriptions to the value of £500! I cant remember the last time I had a prescription.


And to answer your question, yes I feel you are under paid just like I am. You would made a better argument without that "put your life on the line comment" also, because the majority of RAF casualties in Telic have been behind the wire.

I would actually create a professional engineers pay spine (Obviously those Leckies who aren't multi skilled would be screwed). This would reflect the lack of engineers of all disciplines joining the job market. Retention would then be aided by a tax free bonus rather then messing about with pay scales, it would also be cheaper in the long run as when recruitment and retention rise you can stop the issue of the bonus.

However, like you said it appears our TS has died at his desk and no one has noticed the smell yet!

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

Thanks Fu Fu and all of Tg1, but i'm not an orrificer....yet! But when I do make the leap, i'll be sure to get on the AFPRB and whack 50% extra on Tg1's wages! That way, you can get a nice new dump valve for your Subaru!

Not yet but you are half way there, you have the blinkered views and self importance of some of the zobs i've had the misfortune to work for. Oh and fitting a dump valve to a scooby really fecks the engine up, so i'll not bother if thats ok Sir.... Plus at the ripe old age of 37 i think i'm passed the chav stage of life.
You found that ficticious company that treats everyone as an equal yet?
And the RAF doesn't count.

 

[chumpzilla]

Not yet but you are half way there, you have the blinkered views and self importance of some of the zobs i've had the misfortune to work for. Oh and fitting a dump valve to a scooby really fecks the engine up, so i'll not bother if thats ok Sir.... Plus at the ripe old age of 37 i think i'm passed the chav stage of life.
You found that ficticious company that treats everyone as an equal yet?
And the RAF doesn't count.

....errr...the Army...!? DT_Xtremez_42:DT_Xtremez_30:

Sorry about the car comment, didn't know that it ruins the engine! If you knew me, i'd like to think that I wasn't a complete ar$ehole and actually do appreciate the opinions of others! Luckily, you don't. otherwise there would probably a brown paper bag, full of dog turd burning away outside my house! Ha ha!

In all fairness though, maybe you should forward yourself to the TS's job? Sounds like you could help out your bretheren in this matter with a strong will like yours.

Also, thanks for the Zob comment. I must be doing something right if you believe me to be a complete turd! Maybe i'll make a JEngO, and catch up with you!?!?!? Or I might just get an easier job where the entire workforce don't feel aggrieved as soon as they leave trade trg and adopt the trades hard done by attitude?!

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

Wouldn't want to do the TS job, it's officially 'out of trade' so i could be worse off.......
Also, thanks for the Zob comment. I must be doing something right if you believe me to be a complete turd! Maybe i'll make a JEngO, and catch up with you!?!?!? Or I might just get an easier job where the entire workforce don't feel aggrieved as soon as they leave trade trg and adopt the trades hard done by attitude?!
Almost a JEngO already, **** attitude and can't wait to use the work of others to get a promotion. I'm sure you'll fit in well.

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[Mickwreay]

Oh, wait, you don't leave the wire do you!?

Well Chumpzilla, I, as a TG1 chap, have the utmost respect for anyone who lays down their life for queen & country. However, the whole point of an education is to better yourself!
I worked hard in school, college & training to ensure I got a good job. With the best will in the world, that is the reason we “don't leave the wire do you”. We have earned the right to do our job & made the choice not to be front line troops. Once again I utterly respect anyone who fights hand to hand, but I chose not to do that particular job. My education earned me the right to choose MY future.

 

[Ghandi's Flip-Flop]

All i was saying is that, maybe your pleas aren't falling on deaf ears, but their hands are tied as Pay 2000 is pertinent to all 3 services.

But this is where things fall down big style in the RAF. The rates of promotion are much slower for a start. Also in the Army pass a course and get specialist pay as a reward. Where is the RAF equivalent? The 3 services are not the same, the quest to make a pay scale fit them all was fundementally flawed.

Oh and don't quote programmers wages in here unless you want shot down. I think you'll find most individuals on service software teams come from TG1 too. I know I used to work on one.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Oh and don't quote programmers wages in here unless you want shot down. I think you'll find most individuals on service software teams come from TG1 too. I know I used to work on one.

I can back up gff on this and so can many others on the goat. As TG1/TG2 program aircraft systems which is so far outside of normal trade roles it is scary.

 

[tiald pod]

I seem to remember if anyone failed either the mech course or fitters course they were before being RTUed or asked to leave the airforce, they were offered a job as with the Ground radio, ground electrical, TCO etc.

Surely that says something?

 

[chumpzilla]

Don't know what you mean? DT_Xtremez_42: Are you insinuating that Tg3 (Ground Electronics) are as daft as Tg11 (TCO)? Because if you are putting them in the same basket, maybe you should have been a TCO!?

They may have been offered the Ground Electronic trade as a compensation for not passing their course but already having a good grounding in some of the working practices (eg fault finding techniques) or Fairy trade background. Just a thought, my Fishermans Friend! now go and hassle someone else with your silly comments!

 

[mad_collie]

Steady chump, the bloke is just being a cnut for entertainment value (and doing a good job).

The first 8 months of the old school TG3 training is the same as TG2. That's why the BTEC/ONC is in electronics/avionics.

 

[chumpzilla]

Yes, well. I did notice a keep-net out in the river and thought i'd jump right in there! Didn't realise how closely aligned the trades were. I suppose it makes sense due to the similarities in some of the gear we both use. i.e ILS, etc!

 

[Hu Jardon]

Steady chump, the bloke is just being a cnut for entertainment value (and doing a good job).

The first 8 months of the old school TG3 training is the same as TG2. That's why the BTEC/ONC is in electronics/avionics.

Don't you mean WAS the same?DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Hu Jardon]

Because if you are putting them in the same basket, maybe you should have been a TCO!?

He doesn't need to - your trade sponsors already did itDT_Xtremez_30: