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Given a broadly pyramidal shaped organisation, I would have thought that they would only need to discharge those numbers who could not be reduced by slowing the recruitment?
 
Stevienics said:
Given a broadly pyramidal shaped organisation, I would have thought that they would only need to discharge those numbers who could not be reduced by slowing the recruitment?
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monobrow said:
SDSR said we are to lose 5000. Tranche 1 was circa 1000. We'd be getting off lightly if it was just 1000 for Tranche 2...
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Not all 5000 personnel being lost will be through redundancy.

Some are simply not getting promoted/signed on so that they natural time-ex and leave without receiving a wedge of cash.

HTB
 
unruly1986 said:
Will TG4 be included in this Tranche?
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Considering this is quite an important thing for everybody in the RAF, I'm surprised that the message isn't getting out!

We know that the Tranche is released on Tuesday... and that is all we know.

We don't know who they want, what trades, what numbers, what restrictions etc... UNTIL IT IS RELEASED ON TUESDAY!

Hope this helps!

HTB
 
Harry B'Stard said:
Not all 5000 personnel being lost will be through redundancy.

Some are simply not getting promoted/signed on so that they natural time-ex and leave without receiving a wedge of cash.

HTB
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Indeed, we are seeing more people leave this year from time-ex (through being denied their new engagement) than are the victims of redundancy, or PVR.

As for this tranche involving a lot of techies (since we are now 3 aircraft types short of what we had last year) when are we next getting a new Sqn to place people in? When is the next typhoon Sqn standing up? How about A400M? Obviously there is FSTA but initial manning for that is sorted (and we're unlikely to have more than a few airframes before the middle of 2013
 
Joe_90 said:
Rumour on the new Typhoon Squadron is before the end of this year.
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Any rumour on where the rumoured Typhoon squadron will form. It was originally scheduled for Leuchars; however, the basing review announced the closure of Leuchars with the Typhoons moving up to Lossiemouth.
 
As long as 1 typhoon lands at lossie next year. That means a ministerial directive has been met. Quote from AOC Scotland
 
Surely now we have got rid of so many aircraft and what appears Tranche 1 was all aircrew and techies, with less aircraft surely all other trades need to reduce too as the support is supposed to be reduced. I have a funny feeling we will be left with an airforce with a few aircraft, few pilots, 7000 Air Officers , 200 Tg1 and 20000 adminers. Thats the future and 2020
 
Of course he hasn't, he also has no understanding of the makeup of the rest of the trades in the RAF. They have been civilianised as much as possible and a lot are just within harmony guidelines. TG1 OOA turnaround is still pretty high compared to the rest meaning they are overmanned.
 
Joe_90 said:
TG1 OOA turnaround is still pretty high compared to the rest meaning they are overmanned.
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Not strictly true, IA TG1 turnaround times are generally pretty high, FU TG1 turnaround times are probably about average WRT the rest of the RAF....
 
Downsizer said:
Not strictly true, IA TG1 turnaround times are generally pretty high, FU TG1 turnaround times are probably about average WRT the rest of the RAF....
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If you are a teccy on a deployable Sqn then you go away quite a bit. If you are TG1 and have made a career out of 2nd line or OCUs, then your turnround time is somewhere around 13 years - 4 times the average for other trades. A Chf who I have worked with is just about to leave after 26 years - his one OOA was to MPA and his medal haul is two.
 
muttywhitedog said:
If you are a teccy on a deployable Sqn then you go away quite a bit. If you are TG1 and have made a career out of 2nd line or OCUs, then your turnround time is somewhere around 13 years - 4 times the average for other trades. A Chf who I have worked with is just about to leave after 26 years - his one OOA was to MPA and his medal haul is two.
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For some ranks and trades in TG1, not all though. Nice sweeping generalisation.
 
Joe_90 said:
TG1 OOA turnaround is still pretty high compared to the rest meaning they are overmanned.
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It means nothing of the sort.

Most* TG1 OOAs are as FU, if the only indicator of manning level requirements was OOA turnaround times you could get rid of whole Sqns worth of TG1 and get the non FU turnround times down to a 2 years. You may have a few issues getting aircraft in the air when you deploy Sqns though.
 
muttywhitedog said:
If you are a teccy on a deployable Sqn then you go away quite a bit. If you are TG1 and have made a career out of 2nd line or OCUs, then your turnround time is somewhere around 13 years - 4 times the average for other trades. A Chf who I have worked with is just about to leave after 26 years - his one OOA was to MPA and his medal haul is two.
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Then it's manning/drafters/the system that's at fault, unless he was downgraded etc during his time.
 
muttywhitedog said:
If you are a teccy on a deployable Sqn then you go away quite a bit. If you are TG1 and have made a career out of 2nd line or OCUs, then your turnround time is somewhere around 13 years - 4 times the average for other trades. A Chf who I have worked with is just about to leave after 26 years - his one OOA was to MPA and his medal haul is two.
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Utter bollocks. OOA turnaround for Corporal armourers on the HOCU was 2 years.
 
Weebl said:
It means nothing of the sort.

Most* TG1 OOAs are as FU, if the only indicator of manning level requirements was OOA turnaround times you could get rid of whole Sqns worth of TG1 and get the non FU turnround times down to a 2 years. You may have a few issues getting aircraft in the air when you deploy Sqns though.
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What it means is that a lot of the 2nd line jobs that haven't yet been civilianised should be looked at.
 
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