A side issue but I have always wondered the same. Even adjusted for sex, the female test seems easier but I have no idea if it is actually true. If it were easier then it is definately a weak point for legal eagles.
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A side issue but I have always wondered the same. Even adjusted for sex, the female test seems easier but I have no idea if it is actually true. If it were easier then it is definately a weak point for legal eagles.
How can someone have a block? They have been doing this test for years and as time goes on the levels come down for us all. I am a great believer of having a fitness test, if you look at some people (all ranks) that clearly think they are not in a military force anymore.
For the test it last around 10mins and at level 10 you have only ran 1.8K.
Sorry I am clod and heartless but we all should be able to keep fit and push through barriers. Its is a small mental block what happens if they are put under real pressure?????
For the test it last around 10mins and at level 10 you have only ran 1.8K.
Sorry I am clod and heartless but we all should be able to keep fit and push through barriers. Its is a small mental block what happens if they are put under real pressure?????
Just because you don't have a block doesn't mean other people are the same.
I think you'll find that as time goes by, the levels increase. They are much higher now than when the test 1st came in.
Crap grammar aside, this is real pressure for some folks, especially if they can lose their job through it.
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I think the 'mental' block has come as a result of the fact that you can now be discharged for failing your FT.
It's also not just the discharge element either. You could have really good SJARs but if you fail your FT, first offence is a written warning, which has to be commented on your SJAR, (think career implications). I think it's added a whole load more pressure with some people getting too worked up over it.
I'm just glad that fitness has played a huge part of my service life, stn football, x country running team, swimming team, etc, and I managed a light blue on my last FT.
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It's also not just the discharge element either. You could have really good SJARs but if you fail your FT, first offence is a written warning, which has to be commented on your SJAR, (think career implications). I think it's added a whole load more pressure with some people getting too worked up over it.
I'm just glad that fitness has played a huge part of my service life, stn football, x country running team, swimming team, etc, and I managed a light blue on my last FT.
DT_Xtremez_30:Its not just that, its a pretty crappy feeling inside to be honest. I know I can do it so failing on the day makes me feel sh*te
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Not sure what clod is but heartless no, but as Realist says just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean others don't. I struggle with fitness tests I always have but I try my best and push through, but due to this I have it on my SJAR that I have a bad attitude to fitness which isn't true I just find it hard and know others do too.
Plus people deal with different pressures in different ways, pressures from my job are very different to the pressure put on me when I have to do my fitness test.
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I think you'll find that this "pressure" is felt by more peolple than you realise. I feel it, this year I was short by only 5 shuttles when I pulled up I instantly said to myself "Fool". I went back next week and passed with relative ease. It was purely mental pressure that caused me to fail. As the next test approaches that feeling is starting to build, stupid I know but it is happening.
I think your right there, i now know more and more people, myself included, that dread having to do the test know because if they fail then there are so many consequences now it puts alot of pressure on you.
I know we are in the military and we should be able to deal with pressures but this is a different sort to the professional ones we deal with. My job pressures very rarely get to me but when i go do the test and if i fail its always in the back of my mind that i've screwed my career because of administrative action and worst case scenario i'm booted out and how so i support my wife and kids???
Thats what gets me
have things changed?
have things changed?
Are you sure you are a chf clk? I was under the impression it was an interview with your Flt Cmdr. Unles things have changed. I know different units do it differently which is another legal angle to look at.
Maybe ask for a list of who has not taken the test properly throughout the whole Airforce over the last 12 months and see how many of them are under formal warnings? Level playing field and all that.
I think the whole "attitude to fitness" is a massive coppout and would be a fairly easy thing to question.
If you are kicked out for not reaching a required fitness standard they would be able to prove that but an ATTITUDE is very difficult to prove in a employment court.
have things changed?
Are you sure you are a chf clk? I was under the impression it was an interview with your Flt Cmdr. Unles things have changed. I know different units do it differently which is another legal angle to look at.
Maybe ask for a list of who has not taken the test properly throughout the whole Airforce over the last 12 months and see how many of them are under formal warnings? Level playing field and all that.
I think the whole "attitude to fitness" is a massive coppout and would be a fairly easy thing to question.
If you are kicked out for not reaching a required fitness standard they would be able to prove that but an ATTITUDE is very difficult to prove in a employment court.
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Going back to the OP, has your husband gone back to the PTIs and asked to take the test as practice? Some people do have this mental block, I hate the test and have felt the same as some of the other posters, happy to do 3 miles outside, but hate having to run for 9-10 minutes in the gym.
If he can pass the test without the pressure of the test environment, hopefully that will help him mentally for the next time as he will know he can do it.
As someone said above, knowing how much more effort you need to pass, i.e. once into the last level so you've just one more minute of effort can also help. As soon as I got through the required level I had a second wind because of the relief of passing and went further than I had for a couple of years.
If he can pass the test without the pressure of the test environment, hopefully that will help him mentally for the next time as he will know he can do it.
As someone said above, knowing how much more effort you need to pass, i.e. once into the last level so you've just one more minute of effort can also help. As soon as I got through the required level I had a second wind because of the relief of passing and went further than I had for a couple of years.
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Keef, just to clarify what Realist said...
When I joined the mob at a sprightly young 18 years of age I had to achieve level 8:10.
Now that I am in my thirties I have to achieve 9:4.
Not much of a difference... but it certainly hasn't gone in a downwards direction!
And as regards to 'Mental Block'... my fitness has never been great (although I generally pass first time) but I still only have to hear the bleep test and I feel nervous
DT_Xtremez_09:... even when I'm not the one taking it!DT_Xtremez_42: I don't know why this happens... proabably some sort of mental block!DT_Xtremez_30:HTB
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Well done but that's why the levels keep going up
Yep, as soon as I get required level I stop no matter how I feel.
Funny old thing, the PTIs used to stop you when you had reached the required level! That was obviously before KPIs kicked in and the hierarchy became obsessed with the fitness lark.
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First failure, MMA (written warning), second failure Formal Warning, standard across the RAF. What RAF are you serving in???
And it's not your attitude to fitness that you are discharged on; it's the fact that you have continually failed to meet the standard!
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If I remember rightly the maa I got specifically stated poor attitude to fitness so I refused to sign it. After a little "talk" I just gave in and signed in which was a bit wimpish on my part and I know better. It was neve commented on my sjar because my management know the amount of work i put into fitness and i went on to pass it anyway.
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I've given MAA to a SNCO, not for a FT fail, but never felt the need to mention it on their SJAR. But it is mandatory now to mention your fitness test results on your SJAR.
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Joined in 73 did running at swinderby and the that was it till I went on tsw in 1987 Man did I suffer. I think if I was in now I'd be out on my arse. The one thing about the bft was your age was taken into account those extra minutes certainly helped.
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Fella, I turned 40 and dropped to level 6.1 (I think), 2 months later it went up to 8.3 (again I think). It's funny but the most people who come through P1 on MAA are the youngsters.
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Well done but that's why the levels keep going up
No it's because they were a joke in the first place.
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