administrative discharge

[Goatherdingsplitter]

I thought that had changed AGAIN, now you have to comment regardless?

Believe, that current thinking is that why comment on something that every one else who performs positively will be equally commented on and therefore difficult to separate in performance. It is a waste of characters on an already limited report.

 

[Tubby]

Didn't we lose one from our secret location just before crimbo for this?

If you are south of the M4 and I think you are, then yes. He now works in the same hangar as a civvie.

Somebody else who was always away yet couldn't run. Although to be fair, a bit of excersize maybe wouldn't have gone a miss in his case. He never missed dets or work though as the PTI's would have you believe would happen when your that fat.

 

[Realist78]

If you are south of the M4 and I think you are, then yes. He now works in the same hangar as a civvie.

Somebody else who was always away yet couldn't run. Although to be fair, a bit of excersize maybe wouldn't have gone a miss in his case. He never missed dets or work though as the PTI's would have you believe would happen when your that fat.

Nope, try Typhoo land. The reason I asked was that after a couple of years of these threats of admin discharge, there seems to be only a small number that have been given the boot. Why is this considering the pan RAF, straightforward route to discharge?

 

[Tubby]

Nope, try Typhoo land. The reason I asked was that after a couple of years of these threats of admin discharge, there seems to be only a small number that have been given the boot. Why is this considering the pan RAF, straightforward route to discharge?

I agree that not that many in real terms have been discharged, maybe a few from each unit. They generally are juniors but there are a there have been one ot two people very close to thier pension. The guy at Lyneham had actually done over 22 but the years for the Queen don't count so he lost out big time. He is currently fighting it legally but I doubt the RAF will fight it, it is easier to pay out and keep stum. They don't set the precedent that way.

Its a hard nosed attitude the hierarchy have and will cost the RAF experience in the long run. Who post 22 and struggles with the middle aged spread is going to put up with constant threats of dismissal.

 

[Realist78]

I agree that not that many in real terms have been discharged, maybe a few from each unit. They generally are juniors but there are a there have been one ot two people very close to thier pension. The guy at Lyneham had actually done over 22 but the years for the Queen don't count so he lost out big time. He is currently fighting it legally but I doubt the RAF will fight it, it is easier to pay out and keep stum. They don't set the precedent that way.

Its a hard nosed attitude the hierarchy have and will cost the RAF experience in the long run. Who post 22 and struggles with the middle aged spread is going to put up with constant threats of dismissal.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully not many folk will. IMO, the whole shebang is misguided and the admin side of matters is not being carried out uniformly across the RAF.

 

[justintime129]

How many sportsmen get faster as they grow older. I'm sure carl Lewis ran slower in his 30s/40s then in his 20s. But the airforce go against this by increasing the expected results year on year.

 

[252]

How many sportsmen get faster as they grow older. I'm sure carl Lewis ran slower in his 30s/40s then in his 20s. But the airforce go against this by increasing the expected results year on year.

Are you saying that there is no allowance for age in the RAF fitness test?.

If there is how does it work?

Thanks in advance 252

 

[clungemobile]

Are you saying that there is no allowance for age in the RAF fitness test?.

If there is how does it work?

Thanks in advance 252

He means that while the levels get lower according to age groups, the overall levels have increased since it first came in.

Oh and don't event start the one about the girls levels....DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[justintime129]

He means that while the levels get lower according to age groups, the overall levels have increased since it first came in.

Oh and don't event start the one about the girls levels....DT_Xtremez_42:

Yeah that's what I meant ;-)

 

[252]

He means that while the levels get lower according to age groups, the overall levels have increased since it first came in.

Oh and don't event start the one about the girls levels....DT_Xtremez_42:

Thanks for that.DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[Tubby]

http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/canijoin/fitness.cfm Look at the second lot, they say 100% in the columbs.

This link has the levels for those who don't know or have been out for a while. The first figure is the level they have to reach, the second is how many shuttles at that level they have to complete before they have finished.

I can't find anything on the older levels but I think I remeber some, up to 17-24 was 9.10
25-29 was 8.9 which I think went to 9.4 then matched the 17-24 y.o's
30 plus I am not sure as I never did it at those levels.

The highest for a wench now is 7.02 (previosly 6.01 I think), 50 y.o crusty wobbly's have to nigh on match that bar 1 shuttle.

Tabbing around the sports field is the way forward.

 

[rafwiff]

Hi

I posted on here a while ago as my husbands promotion had been scraped due to a formal warning for his fitness test.

Has you other half been to see the smo for a check over?

Also has he been through all his paper work to make sure that the dates are all correct, i ask this as my husbands formal warning was scraped as the 12 week period starts when the maa is given not when he failed, so my husband had passed his fitness test in time as he did pass it within 12 weeks from the maa being given.

 

[Soon To Leave]

How many sportsmen get faster as they grow older. I'm sure carl Lewis ran slower in his 30s/40s then in his 20s. But the airforce go against this by increasing the expected results year on year.

The old levels were far too low! The reason levels are still increasing is that increasing them to what should be in expected in one fell swoop would result in far too many failures. In 4 or 5 years, when noone's overweight and we're all at a high standard, it won't be an issue.

 

[Realist78]

Don't know whether it's rumour or not but I remember being told that the levels go up when the percentage of failures drops to a predetermined level.

 

[FOMz]

The old levels were far too low! The reason levels are still increasing is that increasing them to what should be in expected in one fell swoop would result in far too many failures. In 4 or 5 years, when noone's overweight and we're all at a high standard, it won't be an issue.

Please explain the female levels then - why are they so low? my daughter at school has to get higher on the beep test than a 20 year old wraf. You want equality - you do the same running levels.

I've seen some right racing snake wrafs out there so your box standard 22 year old booze and jizz bloated wraf has no excuse.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Don't know whether it's rumour or not but I remember being told that the levels go up when the percentage of failures drops to a predetermined level.

If that's true then I think it will be a good while before the levels go up again.

The story I was told when the levels last went up was that they were previously set to average UK fitness levels but that it was decided that our fitness should be above the UK average. It sounds feasible I suppose.

 

[Tyson]

22 year old booze and jizz bloated wraf DT_Xtremez_30:

Raised an early morning chuckle from me.

 

[RAF Bird]

Ahh and so we go round in circles again... thems poor boys that want equality cos they're all hard done by because they have to run more shuttles on the bleep test than us wrafs..... there may be racing snake girls out there who can get to the mens levels but as my fella is a racing snake in his 'Manly' right and can reach over level 13... I take it that this now means that all you men should adjust your lives and get yourselves as fit as him?? No thought not!!.... bless ya's I'll bet your Mummies didn't love you as much as your sisters either did they? DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[wgaf]

Ahh and so we go round in circles again... thems poor boys that want equality cos they're all hard done by because they have to run more shuttles on the bleep test than us wrafs..... there may be racing snake girls out there who can get to the mens levels but as my fella is a racing snake in his 'Manly' right and can reach over level 13... I take it that this now means that all you men should adjust your lives and get yourselves as fit as him?? No thought not!!.... bless ya's I'll bet your Mummies didn't love you as much as your sisters either did they? DT_Xtremez_42:

If you want common sense to come into the arguement then set a level, for everyone male and female, the further away you are from that level the less you get paid.
If as a female you get paid the same as your male counterparts then you should be expected to do the same job, the whole same job, including the fitness test. You want equality, fine, but that should come in toto.

 

[FOMz]

Very true WGAF. Equality means eaqual - something it currently is not.


Equal employment oppotunities
Equal pay
Equal fitness standards.

Nit a hard concept to grasp is it?