AIP mispayment

[Spearmint]

You're wrong. Its a TG 1 bod, we "career manage"all trades but we only TS TG17.

Fair one, It was a view that was not based on 100% fact anyway. Thank you for putting me right.

However, what I would like to know is.......

When is this Tit going to pull his/her finger out and start sticking up for us TG1/TG1 wanabees.........?

 

[KingGuin]

Do you think an SAC Clk will have the wherewithal to approve a BTEC in Wiggly Ampage as a relevant qualification? Nope they will have actioned what the TS gave them permission to do so.

Clearly the cream of the crop at Lyneham at that time.

I was Chf Clk at Lyneham for a while, wonder if I signed it.....DT_Xtremez_06:

You want a tale of woe? Try this. TS approves C & D AIPs, clerk actions. Happy customer. Audit arrives, both previously approved quals are now deemed unsuitable by TS. Individual kicks up a fuss, one qual accepted, one under investigation.
Individual asks clerks for copy of paperwork, clerks say both sets lost. Individual investigates on JPA, discovers which clerk actioned (now discharged) and then discovered that clerk has entered wrong date. Slightly miffed individual kicks off. Then discovers JPA programming error may have accounted for wrong dates...how do I know this...because its me!

And before you think clerks aren't held accountable, ask the two of mine disciplined in the last 14 days.

 

[Cooheed]

And before you think clerks aren't held accountable, ask the two of mine disciplined in the last 14 days.

Off TopicI hope you warned them to get their burners up beforehand .. DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[Shiney Scot]

Is that disciplined or smacked on the wrist with derisory admin action?

 

[KingGuin]

Off TopicI hope you warned them to get their burners up beforehand .. DT_Xtremez_15:

LMAO, hope it goes well bud. Off Topic

 

[Life-Is-Good]

Just had to resubmit my second one as paperwork had been "misplaced". It was implied that paperwork should be submitted as though it was a brand-new application. Needless to say, I crossed through the "I have not applied for this before" line and added "Resubmitted due to original paperwork being lost"

 

[KingGuin]

Is that disciplined or smacked on the wrist with derisory admin action?

Off Topic You know as well as I do how it works. Crime = sentence Off Topic

 

[unruly1986]

Well they caught up with me... I have had to 'swap' my first AIP for my second, as the first wasn't valid. This means the AIP I put in last September never counted and I am being dropped a level and will more than likely have to pay back the difference since then, probably approaching £2k.


The Chf Clk here told me there is a 1% chance we won't have to pay it back and it will go to ministerial review in the new year.


Reason for AIP rejection: BTEC national award not BTEC national certificate. I enquired about the Advanced Apprenticeship as it is on the AP, but our trade sponsor has ruled this isn't the same as the one on the AP, even though it has the same title.


Pretty annoyed as I have managed to sort my finances out lately and this is something I definitely didn't need. That said, there are people in a far worse situation than me and there are plenty of us who have been affected so will have to see what the review brings.


Need to get this HNC finished now so I can go back up a level!


Bloody adminers...

Edited to add: If you are 'pure' TG4 and used the BTEC you get from Cosford for an AIP then you will have to pay something back unless you have another qual you can substitute it for. Most if not all the TG4 SACs I know used this so loads of us have been affected.

 

[MakkaPakka1]

I don't understand, are they saying that you cant use your advanced modern apprenticeship as an aip? Or is this a problem for post training quals that don't qualify?

 

[Downsizer]

In my case the TS in 2009 approved a management qual I had. The current TS has rejected it. Cheers.

 

[unruly1986]

I don't understand, are they saying that you cant use your advanced modern apprenticeship as an aip? Or is this a problem for post training quals that don't qualify?

Theres two sides to this (in my case). Firstly, the BTEC Award, although a level 3 on the NQF, does not quality as it is not a BTEC certificate. Secondly, this means I only have one qualifying qual (the NVQ).

The AMA I got as part of the TG4 training 'package' is not the 'right' AMA according to our Chf Clk. She was referring to the AP that says 'for personnel coming from the TG3 & TG11 streams only x AMA is allowed' (or words to that effect).

Now here is my issue - it also says that 'a TG4 policy will follow in due course' (again I'm paraphrasing). So as I am neither ex TG3 or TG11 how can ANY AIP policy apply to me or people in my situation? As no policy was in place for us?

If anyone with the AP to hand can confirm/correct the above that would be great.

 

[unruly1986]

In my case the TS in 2009 approved a management qual I had. The current TS has rejected it. Cheers.

Whats the damage?

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

I put in an AIP in 2001 and all was well. For 3 years till i got to Cyprus and had just bought a shiny new car then i was told it was 'awarded in error' (even though i'd checked the good book, the SNCO in PSF had checked the book and the chief clk did the same before it was all authorised with a covering fax from the TS) and i had to pay back £3000. For about 2 years i received no LOA or SANDU (bog money as it was) as they used that to scrape the money back after i lodged an appeal. Cheeky feckers never even gave me back the AIP onto my entitlement, when i asked about it befor i left the answer was 'well you did use one''..... yes but you took it off me and i had to give the money back didn't seem to get me anywhere.

At the time i lodged the appeal i received some legal stuff from PMA/Pay centre (can't quite remember where) and it basically said as it's 'tax payers money' the government have a precedent that was set some time ago on how long they can claim money back for. I'll have a dig about and see if i can find it i'm sure it was something daft like 47-50 years to find their 'error' and claim the money back.

I said it on here years ago that they would be starting a review at some point and it'll bite alot of people. Wish i could pick the lotto numbers instead....

 

[Joe_90]

In my case the TS in 2009 approved a management qual I had. The current TS has rejected it. Cheers.

I don't have a lot of sympathy on here for the people who say that the adminers checked it so it's their fault. We're supposed to be a grown ups who can read ourselves in the RAF. Your case seems wrong though, if one TS approves it then you have done everything right. To change the rules when we are suddenly trying to save money can't be legal. I can see how the rest of the folk caught out might have to repay it but in your case the TS that approved it should be for the high jump as a minimum.

 

[Downsizer]

Whats the damage?

Several thousand pounds.

I don't have a lot of sympathy on here for the people who say that the adminers checked it so it's their fault. We're supposed to be a grown ups who can read ourselves in the RAF. Your case seems wrong though, if one TS approves it then you have done everything right. To change the rules when we are suddenly trying to save money can't be legal. I can see how the rest of the folk caught out might have to repay it but in your case the TS that approved it should be for the high jump as a minimum.

The GAI at the time which laid out usable quals had a line that said(ish) "or equivalent qualifications" and also "If unsure check with TS". Myself and PSF (who I have no complaints with now or at the time) confirmed and the TS said crack on. All seemed fine until now. The mistake I've made is not keeping any confirmation from the then TS, but why would I?

 

[unruly1986]

I don't have a lot of sympathy on here for the people who say that the adminers checked it so it's their fault. We're supposed to be a grown ups who can read ourselves in the RAF. Your case seems wrong though, if one TS approves it then you have done everything right. To change the rules when we are suddenly trying to save money can't be legal. I can see how the rest of the folk caught out might have to repay it but in your case the TS that approved it should be for the high jump as a minimum.

That leads to the question of why have adminers in the RAF if they can't be relied upon to check things like this?

How about we post our applications to JPAC?

 

[MakkaPakka1]

I don't have a lot of sympathy on here for the people who say that the adminers checked it so it's their fault. We're supposed to be a grown ups who can read ourselves in the RAF. Your case seems wrong though, if one TS approves it then you have done everything right. To change the rules when we are suddenly trying to save money can't be legal. I can see how the rest of the folk caught out might have to repay it but in your case the TS that approved it should be for the high jump as a minimum.

I think the point that is trying to be made is that If an aip has been 'applied' then there must have been somebody that checked it for eligibility. After all, I would expect a jockey to trust that I had carried out repairs to a standard stipulated in umpteen different ap's, as opposed to checking every single job, every single ap, every single drawing etc.

It's not as if it's a self cert thing. I'm sure you can't self cert a payrise (unless you are some CEO or something).

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[millie]

Several thousand pounds.



The GAI at the time which laid out usable quals had a line that said(ish) "or equivalent qualifications" and also "If unsure check with TS". Myself and PSF (who I have no complaints with now or at the time) confirmed and the TS said crack on. All seemed fine until now. The mistake I've made is not keeping any confirmation from the then TS, but why would I?

It is not in your personal docs (F445A)?

 

[KingGuin]

Well they caught up with me... I have had to 'swap' my first AIP for my second, as the first wasn't valid. This means the AIP I put in last September never counted and I am being dropped a level and will more than likely have to pay back the difference since then, probably approaching £2k.


The Chf Clk here told me there is a 1% chance we won't have to pay it back and it will go to ministerial review in the new year.


Reason for AIP rejection: BTEC national award not BTEC national certificate. I enquired about the Advanced Apprenticeship as it is on the AP, but our trade sponsor has ruled this isn't the same as the one on the AP, even though it has the same title.


Pretty annoyed as I have managed to sort my finances out lately and this is something I definitely didn't need. That said, there are people in a far worse situation than me and there are plenty of us who have been affected so will have to see what the review brings.


Need to get this HNC finished now so I can go back up a level!


Bloody adminers...

Edited to add: If you are 'pure' TG4 and used the BTEC you get from Cosford for an AIP then you will have to pay something back unless you have another qual you can substitute it for. Most if not all the TG4 SACs I know used this so loads of us have been affected.

Last edited by unruly1986; 4 Hours Ago at 19:25.

Get a grip dude. How many times.....Adminers WOULD not have sanctioned a BTEC it was your TRADE SPONSOR..........

 

[Downsizer]

It is not in your personal docs (F445A)?

Only documentation I have been given is the correctly signed application form which I submitted at the time. I had the email from the TS which was CC'd to me when it was sent to psf, but I have long since deleted that and there is no copy of it with the paperwork the auditors have given me.