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techie_tubby
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Can anyone confirm the latest info floating about that it's only affecting SAC's that have put in both AIP's?
Ghandi's Flip-Flop
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Surely an SAC can only have put 1 AIP in, as it's one per rank is it not?
clungemobile
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Q-PI-A for SAC
B for Cpl
C for Sgt
D for any rank
You can put 2 in a year but they can't be the same ones so A & D for SAC, B & D for Cpl.....
AIP D can be put in by any rank, therefore it would be possible for an SAC to put in 2 AIP's if they had the qualifications. As far as I can can remember AIP D should have been an NVQ level 4 or equivalent, or an NVQ level 3 plus the NVQ assessor qualifications (at the time) of D32/D33.
It's not just SAC's, I believe it's anybody who applied for the AIP D using an NVQ level 3 but not having the supporting D32/D33. Their application was of course vetted by a string of admin people before it was agreed... but that's another court battle!!!
clungemobile
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Not just NVQ it's all TG4 with a 'D' being checked, some have used IMLC gained certificates too :S
Fu Fu Valve
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Depending on the trade IMLC will (would) give you an AIP. TG1 din't get it, can't remember which ones do or did get it. Caused a lot of isses a few years ago. Loads of guys put them in having been told it was an accepated qualification and had them authorised only to be presented with a nice bill for repayment 3 years later. Me included. Halton didn't help as they were telling everyone it got you an AIP as they didn't specify which trades.
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The Masked Geek
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Depends on how nicely you smiled at the dim adminer while they were checking it.
DT_Xtremez_14:To be honest, the rules were there in black and white and I have lost count of the amount of times I heard guys trying to play the system; some of them will be receiving a nice little bill now.
For the genuine mistaken people, you have my sympathy. Another mess that I'm glad to be away from....
Fu Fu Valve
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Depends on how nicely you smiled at the dim adminer while they were checking it.
To be honest, the rules were there in black and white and I have lost count of the amount of times I heard guys trying to play the system; some of them will be receiving a nice little bill now.
For the genuine mistaken people, you have my sympathy. Another mess that I'm glad to be away from....
Snap, glad i'm out of though there is a possiblity of some legal action from me heading the RAF's way but thats a different story.
Personally i asked PSF if i could claim the AIP and got it in writing that i could. 3 yaers later when i'd just arrived in Cyprus and bought a shiny new car i was presented with a bill for £3000 for being overpaid. I didn't get any LOA or 'bog money' for 2 years while they whittled away at the debt while i fought it. Still got a niceletter from the Legal Dept somewhere that basically said 'doesn't matter who made the error we can claim money back from overpayments from 50 years ago if we need to. Legal action to fight this is futile, paying up is the best option'. In the end they admitted it was their cock up and i got £2000 back but that too 2 years of arguing and fighting!!!!!
It seemed to take ages for them to realise that it had signed off by a SNCO (who also told me i could apply for it) checked by the chief Clk and then signed off at PMA so they 'missed' 3 chances to say no you can't have it.
SirSaltyHelmet
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So, there is a precedent. That piece of paper could be valuable!
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Overpaid RAF Leeming staff must pay back staff
Overpaid RAF Leeming staff must pay back staff
Oh dear,
Link: http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9679507.Staff_at_RAF_base_were_overpaid_for_15_years/
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Overpaid RAF Leeming staff must pay back staff
Oh dear,
Link: http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9679507.Staff_at_RAF_base_were_overpaid_for_15_years/
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This is just sensationalism. I mean who can believe that a highly professional outfit, with some of the most highly paid Human resource operatives in the country could make such an error?
(Before you shinies start going "oooh stop picking on us", the facts aren't black and white the full story isn't available but I basically felt like a dig because I can)
(Before you shinies start going "oooh stop picking on us", the facts aren't black and white the full story isn't available but I basically felt like a dig because I can)
clungemobile
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While I agree it is an Admin error those who submitted the application had access to the SAME JSP as the admin staff....Anyhow, if you aren't entitled then it will be recovered - the 'good faith' argument is futile and as has been said they will recover the money! It doesn't make you entitled to the money!!!!My question is what about those who have left and were overpaid?
Don't want to labour the point, however are you saying we now need to know/understand the JSPs better than the HR staff to avoid such errors if so what's the point of having HR staff? Imagine a HR bod coming to you and saying that after reading your equipment AP the servicing you did was incorrect and that despite being in another trade altogether he knows more about it than you, your supervisor who oversigned you and your SNCO who co-ordinated it!
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Martin Blank
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It's amazing how the RAF/MOD are now trying to claw back, what in the scheme of things is a paltry sum which meant a few technicians leapt a pay increment.
Surely with promotion as it is many of them if not all have marked time at their maximum level for a year within the ranks which has brought them naturally to the same position they would have been with or without the AIP.
The military can squander billions on failed equipments or bombing the sh#t out of something on humanitarian grounds but......woe betide us if they waste a little money on the flesh that lubes the machine.
Surely with promotion as it is many of them if not all have marked time at their maximum level for a year within the ranks which has brought them naturally to the same position they would have been with or without the AIP.
The military can squander billions on failed equipments or bombing the sh#t out of something on humanitarian grounds but......woe betide us if they waste a little money on the flesh that lubes the machine.
techie_tubby
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If they do take the money back, will us lot that are still SAC's get moved down a pay level or do we get to stay on our current level?
clungemobile
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Heard one SAC is around the 4K mark (less tax)
In response to the other all I meant is that an individual coluld quite easily read that they needed an NVQ and Assessor award as well as the clerk could so they are both at fault but ultimately it was approved. However, good faith doesn't wash so the RAF could claim it back.
Lot of money for a lot of people eg 4 days gross pay for a year or so....
In response to the other all I meant is that an individual coluld quite easily read that they needed an NVQ and Assessor award as well as the clerk could so they are both at fault but ultimately it was approved. However, good faith doesn't wash so the RAF could claim it back.
Lot of money for a lot of people eg 4 days gross pay for a year or so....
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That news article is a load of old tosh, this was only bought in with pay 2000 which I believe started in 2001 so that is 11 years ago! Not sure how it could go back 15 yrs.
I am all for stuff in black and white being enforced, but they need to do it evenly
(Tg3/4 list 1 not list 1 mess) never got the money
(Tg11 to high band mess) they got to keep the money
this one who knows?
How someone can have been paid £12000 extra I don't know? that would be £1000 between levels (after tax/NI??)
Whoever went to the papers has a longDT_Xtremez_31:standing issue with numbers so i guess they were ex 11!lol
hhmmm
That news article is a load of old tosh, this was only bought in with pay 2000 which I believe started in 2001 so that is 11 years ago! Not sure how it could go back 15 yrs.
I am all for stuff in black and white being enforced, but they need to do it evenly
(Tg3/4 list 1 not list 1 mess) never got the money
(Tg11 to high band mess) they got to keep the money
this one who knows?
How someone can have been paid £12000 extra I don't know? that would be £1000 between levels (after tax/NI??)
Whoever went to the papers has a long
DT_Xtremez_31:standing issue with numbers so i guess they were ex 11!lolI'm one of the guys it has affected. I have not been told the amount I am supposed to pay back but they will be lucky to get a penny out of me.I keep my finances in order and am not in any debt and now they come along and say "Sorry, we made a mistake 4 years ago, can we have our monies back!?" There is no way they can blame it on the individual, when we put the AIP requests (not claims!) we were told, "Yep, that's fine" and the Chief Clerk signed them off. As a SAC, you tend to go with the Chief Clerks word and don't debate it.