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British Sailors released from Iran

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Vim_Fuego said:
True...The only effective way to hurt Iran would be to stop buying their oil...They'd be living in caves within a year.
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but China, Russia and France don't want to stop buying Oil or sell Weapons to them, just like their dealings with Iraq up to 4 years ago.
 
MAINJAFAD said:
but China, Russia and France don't want to stop buying Oil or sell Weapons to them, just like their dealings with Iraq up to 4 years ago.
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Don't get me wrong...My comment is in a perfect world situation...There are two things you could bank on in if a ruck began with Iran...Iran would not take on a force directly, it doesn't have the numbers or serviceabilty, but they will sink a couple of large oil tankers in the Straits of Hormuz and watch global markets go into meltdown and with it political resolve to continue fighting when the spams are paying $10 a gallon and inflation goes through the roof (and your roof, with the rest of your house, is repossessed) and secondly certain countries would almost certainly seize the opportunity to kick the spams in the teeth by being sympathetic to the Iranians and picking up cheap oil because of that...

Oil is/was worth $110 billion a year in 1990 (last time data was available) and along with gas is their only major export...So my comment stands, the only true way to hurt them is to stop buying the only product they have to sell....And it would have to be a worldwide ban on sales, not tied in with food or other products, and policed properly unlike Iraq's food for oil debacle.
 
Vim_Fuego said:
Don't get me wrong...My comment is in a perfect world situation...There are two things you could bank on in if a ruck began with Iran...Iran would not take on a force directly, it doesn't have the numbers or serviceabilty, but they will sink a couple of large oil tankers in the Straits of Hormuz and watch global markets go into meltdown and with it political resolve to continue fighting when the spams are paying $10 a gallon and inflation goes through the roof (and your roof, with the rest of your house, is repossessed) and secondly certain countries would almost certainly seize the opportunity to kick the spams in the teeth by being sympathetic to the Iranians and picking up cheap oil because of that...

Oil is/was worth $110 billion a year in 1990 (last time data was available) and along with gas is their only major export...So my comment stands, the only true way to hurt them is to stop buying the only product they have to sell....And it would have to be a worldwide ban on sales, not tied in with food or other products, and policed properly unlike Iraq's food for oil debacle.
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Quite right, and as ILLKC correctly stated a war with them would be very messy (we would win the opening rounds, but it would be a bloodbath as they would just be like the Chinese in Korea). human wave attacks that would to have the hell knocked out of them by massive firepower and occupying the place afterward would be a non starter without conscription, nobody would have the manpower to do it, plus heavily losses from walking talking bombs. As for sinking Tankers, any action by the west would no doubt waste any offensive threat that can sink a tanker within two hundred mile of the straits. However that’s all hypothetical as the Yanks will not have the bottle. Iran in the end is only Sh!t stirring as the Ayatollahs and their lackeys need enemies to focus their peoples hate on, if they didn’t it would most likely be them that would be out on a limb and for the chop, from their own people, the same as most of the other Arab leaders.
 
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MAINJAFAD said:
Quite right, and as ILLKC correctly stated a war with them would be very messy (we would win the opening rounds, but it would be a bloodbath as they would just be like the Chinese in Korea). human wave attacks that would to have the hell knocked out of them by massive firepower and occupying the place afterward would be a non starter without conscription, nobody would have the manpower to do it, plus heavily losses from walking talking bombs. As for sinking Tankers, any action by the west would no doubt waste any offensive threat that can sink a tanker within two hundred mile of the straits. However that’s all hypothetical as the Yanks will not have the bottle. Iran in the end is only Sh!t stirring as the Ayatollahs and their lackeys need enemies to focus their peoples hate on, if they didn’t it would most likely be them that would be out on a limb and for the chop, from their own people, the same as most of the other Arab leaders.
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My sentimemts Mainjafad, Iran only needs to have its own people relise that the Mullahs are only there for themselves ( Human nature!)

PS Off Topic Like the signature Jpg?;) Off Topic
 
Vim_Fuego said:
I thought they would have been kept nearer to the scene of the alledged infringement.
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And risk a daring rescue attempt by the SBS? Not likely. What annoyed me is that Margaret Beckett didn't speak to the Iranian Ambassador in person, one of her staff delivered a message.
 
True Blue Jack said:
And risk a daring rescue attempt by the SBS? Not likely. What annoyed me is that Margaret Beckett didn't speak to the Iranian Ambassador in person, one of her staff delivered a message.
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Some first secretary type spoke to him, The Ambassador was probably thinking who the fcuk are you!!
 
This is obviously on a political knife edge at the moment, I just wonder the Americans would have handled things if this was 15 US sailors.
 
Sospan said:
This is obviously on a political knife edge at the moment, I just wonder the Americans would have handled things if this was 15 US sailors.
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I was thinking about this yesterday, when there was an interview on the news with an American US Navy Cdr. It would have been interesting to have seen if the americans would have let rip on the Iranian Vessels.

I think if it had been US sailors then situation would have been a whole lot worse, at least the UK have some sort of diplomatic relations with the Iranians.
Hopefully the situation will be resolved quickly and the lads will be home for tea and dit's by next week.
 
Inch High PI said:
I was thinking about this yesterday, when there was an interview on the news with an American US Navy Cdr. It would have been interesting to have seen if the americans would have let rip on the Iranian Vessels.

I think if it had been US sailors then situation would have been a whole lot worse, at least the UK have some sort of diplomatic relations with the Iranians.
Hopefully the situation will be resolved quickly and the lads will be home for tea and dit's by next week.
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I was thinking this too, But I think Bush would have cacked himself!.
 
Sanctions...

Sanctions...

The question is what will happen when the UN impose sanctions on IRAN later today or will they defer until this latest crisis has been delt with ?

Get the guys out ASAP......

Another thing.....the US said it was monitoring the positions of the boats etc and they were definatly in IRAQ waters...why not publish this info then ? Must be some radar scans or sat phots kicking around to prove one way or the other !!

Crack on guys..............:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
Tashy_Man said:
The question is what will happen when the UN impose sanctions on IRAN later today or will they defer until this latest crisis has been delt with ?
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I hadn't thought about that. It could be you have found the motive.

Get the guys out ASAP......

Tashy_Man said:
Another thing.....the US said it was monitoring the positions of the boats etc and they were definatly in IRAQ waters...why not publish this info then ? Must be some radar scans or sat phots kicking around to prove one way or the other !!
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I'm sure you are right, but the Yanks have lied about things like this before (1967, the Liberty Bell). Satellite imagery would be of American origin and would be denounced by the Iranians as fake. Russia could also prove it one way or the other but I suspect they will keep their distance.
 
Sospan said:
This is obviously on a political knife edge at the moment, I just wonder the Americans would have handled things if this was 15 US sailors.
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Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I think the US would have let rip as soon as the situation presented itself, but then again they have the assets in place to support their forces.

Iran have made the UK look very weak.
 
I don't think we look weak. Any fool can start a war, Bush has proved that. We are using different methods which I am sure will result in the return of our people, alive and well, probably without bloodshed.

One other point. We are all (me included) assuming that our guys were in Iraqi waters and the Iranian action amounts to kidnap. We should remain open to the other possibility that our guys were caught out of bounds.
 
I doubt there is imagery of the area at the exact time of the incident. There will probably be radar plots though, at the end of the day whatever evidence is produced to prove our guys were in Iraqi waters will be denounced by the Iranians as fake.
 
According to the latest report the guys have now "confessed" to being in Iranian waters. I expect we will have the video of their confessions in time for tomorrow's breakfast news.
 
True Blue Jack said:
And risk a daring rescue attempt by the SBS? Not likely. What annoyed me is that Margaret Beckett didn't speak to the Iranian Ambassador in person, one of her staff delivered a message.
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That speaks volumes for this government's regard for it's armed forces.:PDT_Xtremez_25:
 
No, I think that shows some pretty good political manouvering.

The Iranian ambassidor ordered to see the Foreign Secetary, who happens to be a woman (which in the Iranian eyes makes her a lower form of life) only to be snubbed by her and met by one of her aides.

Automatically puts the Iranians on the back foot and minus one point for political point scoring.

Well played by the Government.
 
These guys are living in better accomodation, have better food.

Get some in.


No dought JPA has them logged as AWOL and has stopped their pay.



Friends and loved ones don't worry they will be home safe and well in a few days. When the are released they will be flown straight home for some R and R and have some great stories to tell.
 
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