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And who is doing all these tasks at the moment? Does it fall to part of the day watch to go round when they are not putting out fires etc? If that's the case and a "watch" will be cut by, say 20%, to compensate for all these tasks falling to the daysies, then as long as the "watch" do nothing apart from respond to emergencies then there shouldnt be a problem.
As a watch manager, can you give me an insight on how many (max) are on your watch at night, and what happens to cover when some of them are sick, on leave, or courses.
I'd really like to sympathise with your cause, but if every other brigade has signed up to these new practices, I cannot help feeling that a few militants in London are whipping the others into a frenzy and creating a confrontation that should never have happened. You say there is a threat of dismissal - did that threat come after the union said "and what happens if we refuse to sign up"?
These tasks are done by volunteers on overtime and by crews still on duty.
The LFB want to stop paying overtime and have day people not on respose do these activities.
My watch strength is 8, minimum rider level is 6. We ride 6 day or night to have safe systems of work. We have a specified number of people allowed off on leave and try, were ever possible, to remain "self sufficient" when we fall below minimum ridership levels we usually get a standby in from another station as we keep a small reserve to cover such eventualities.
The FBU has negotiated these changes with employers in the rest of the country. The LFB doesn't want to negotiate, it wants to impose under the threat of termination of contracts, we will change shifts but not under threat of being placed onto a worse contract.
The LFB want to stop paying overtime and have day people not on respose do these activities.
My watch strength is 8, minimum rider level is 6. We ride 6 day or night to have safe systems of work. We have a specified number of people allowed off on leave and try, were ever possible, to remain "self sufficient" when we fall below minimum ridership levels we usually get a standby in from another station as we keep a small reserve to cover such eventualities.
The FBU has negotiated these changes with employers in the rest of the country. The LFB doesn't want to negotiate, it wants to impose under the threat of termination of contracts, we will change shifts but not under threat of being placed onto a worse contract.
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These jokers need sacking! They are more interested in their ability to carry on with their second jobs.
Couple of points if I may.
1. The LFB has, according to the FBU and the LFB, provided direction to those other regions which have reached agreement.
2. How many times.....you are not being sacked, 188 is re-engagement.
Again, got to wonder why every other region has accepted the change.....oh good luck tomorrow with the strike......
Given Firestorm's explanations, I think your post is disingenuous to say the least.
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Strike now off!
Strike now off!
Funny old thing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11699346
Strike now off!
Funny old thing...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11699346
Can't say I was too worried about that little tantrum to be fair.
DT_Xtremez_42:Non of the proposals will do anything to stop peoples ability to partake in secondary employment.
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Good news.
The public safety concerns the FBU have spoken about are the abilty of assetco to provide sufficient cover.
They have been paid £12M by the lfb and couldn't muster enough crews for the first strike, finishing with 11 trucks at the end of the day. For the second strike less staff turned up so they used agency LGV drivers with no specific training for EFAD driving and non trained crews. This information alerted the Health and Safety Executive who started an official investigation.
The strike is over, the dispute is not. The threat to sack remains and has not been lifted, though negotiations will now recomence.
My main worry is that Brian Coleman will re-ignite the whole thing again, because thats what he thrives on.
Meanwhile, working to contract stations remain closed in the capital.
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Coleman seems a very loathsome person. Daily mirror reports him getting wind and dined by assetco before the contract was awarded also see he claimed thousands in travel claims despite having a bus pass. Hypocrite of the first order.
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Impressive, the firefighting professionals have figured out that striking on bonfire night would be a threat to public safety - what a PR diasaster by the FBU.
I really hope that those slagging off the FBU don't find themselves in a similar situation in the future and have to reconsider their views. It's all too easy to criticise from a side of the fence that we shall find ourselves on the other side of sooner or later.
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Couldn't agree more. All it needs is for both sides to sit round the table and talk instead of the employer coming and saying this is what you will do.
It takes a lot of getting use to coming from the forces to civvy street. You are use to being told what to do and you tend to bring that mindset with you, but you soon realize that you don't have to do everything you can say no or hold on a minute this is wrong.
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I'll throw this at all those serving at the moment, what would you feel like if the m.o.d said we are going to pay you for the hours you work and you won't get paid any overtime. You'd get paid for 40 hours a week and dinner would be unpaid.
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Or the employees saying no we won't. It takes 2 to tango and I am still struggling to see what is driving this dispute other than bloody-mindedness on the part of the union. I remain convinced that the FBU has done its members absolutely no favours.
Umm. I don't get paid overtime now, nor do I get paid extra for working through my lunch. I have just eaten my dinner after a 14 hour working day for which I will be paid the same as every other day. What's your point?
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My point is what would you carry on with the unpaid overtime or would you say no I'm not getting paid.
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But it's unpaid overtime now. How would the scenario you suggest be any different?
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But now you get paid 24/7 so how is it unpaid overtime.
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If we were paid 40hrs and no overtime - if it was a matter of life & death then of course I would work through.
If it was doing staff work for my boss, or management checks, then it would wait until I was being paid for it the next day.
I class myself as a very professional individual, but I also do it for the money.
If it was doing staff work for my boss, or management checks, then it would wait until I was being paid for it the next day.
I class myself as a very professional individual, but I also do it for the money.
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Because I could point to SSOs, work 0800 - 1700 Mon to Fri and be paid no differently. If I did, my Stn would have had no bonfire or fireworks display tonight.
There is a difference between a 'job' and a 'vocation'.