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We are well aware of that but this is about the strike, not the effect that a change in hours will have on the service we receive.
Err no. Party principals across the board have roundly criticized the action - reported on both the FBU and LFB websites.
Geek, cease with your LFB/Daily Mail leaked hate comments and propaganda. Furthermore, ignore the fact the the Mail, Telegraph, Mirror and Times alongside the Express and numerous other worthy tomes have all this weekend condemned the FBU's intended course of action.
As an aside, in the next few days I'll work 2 days at my unit, 2 days in London and have 2 days off - since I live over 500 miles from London can anyone tell me when the best time to collect my London Weighting Allowance is?
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You don't like my point of view so you call me names? A highly effective debating technique best left for the idiots in Parliament....
Have a look at the history of this thread and you will see that I have made several salient points and only one Daily Mail link.
Then pull you head out of your self righteous ar5e and I may consider your comments worthy of consideration.
At least Firestorm has the decency to engage with differing opinions....
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Your missing my point my friend. I'm not whinging. The Firemen are. I've took the pay Freeze on the chin. After all, the country is in dire straits and need to save money. Yes we would all like more money and perfect shift times and/or jobs. But we don't. At least we have jobs. However long the hours/shifts are.
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Ok, I must be missing the point...
It is acknowledged that the number of Firefighters in London will remain the same, therefore the number of people on a watch should stay the same.
That watch (call it A) currently start their 2 days, 2 nights, 4 off on Monday, so they currently work Mon & Tues 7-4, then Wed & Thurs 4-7, which works out at 48 hours on duty until they recommence days the following Tuesday.
With the new proposal, they work Mon & Tues 7-7 and Wed & Thurs 7-7, which is 48 hours until they report for duty the following Tuesday.
48 hrs before, 48 hrs after, no cuts in manpower. Why any currently manned station should have to close because of this is beyond me.
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That's what I'm struggling to understand too....
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I never said it's not. It's just there are far genuine worse off people in the country.
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Your name is TMG, I shortened it to Geek - how exactly is that name calling? Besides it is your choice of monicker so why get upset when you are addressed by it? That aside, re-read the post, read my prevous. I LIKED your comment, I was highlighting the validity of it by making reference to it.
Read my previous posts I have have engaged in debate by including quotes from both the LBU and FBU; hardly the act of an "indecent man". For the record, I appreciate the task firefighters do, I support anyone's right to strike but I do not think that strike action will achieve anything in this instance except to distance public support from the FBU.
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This line is what I was refering to and seems far away from "liking" my post.
Maybe I just read you wrong.
THE MASKED Geek (civility restored!)
you did read me wrong but since my posts have (through the introduction of sarcasm) been deemed ambiguous previously I shall endevour to behave until the MODs introduce a "p*ss taking/sarcasm" emoticion.
Right on with the debate. Come on FS, where are you today?
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Not entirely true TMG. Less fire engines on at the time of most life risk is dangerous.
The way to successfully conclude incidents is by "weight of attack" less resources will mean more fire deaths, more injuries and a greater risk to firefighters as well. This is borne out nationwide with a direct corrolation to reducing cover and the increase in firefighter deaths over the past few years.
I honestly don't know is the simple answer. Some stations out in the wilds have very low call volume. The management tried to address this by making the stations either retained (essentially volunteers) or day crewed, with cover from people living nearby.
They had 1 volunteer from the local community for both schemes so it wasn't viable and no firefighters who worked at the stations could afford to live nearby.
The other alternative was to close the station but the locals were up in arms over this proposal.
The 2 are directly linked. They want 12 hour shifts to reduce night time cover.
I'm not sure what your point is here or even if you understand what the strike is about.
Its not about us wanting any more, its about us not wanting any less.
These proposals don't save a penny. And we too are taking the pay freeze on the chin, in fact Cllr Coleman has suggested we take an extra year freeze as well.
I'll explain.
12's allow the equalisation of shifts instead of 2 days followed by 2 nights you can then work 3 days one night or 4 days no nights. This allows the reduction in nighttime cover as more people will be diverted onto day shifts covering shortfalls for training and doing community safety work.
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Indeed.
Thank god their employers aren't terminating their contracts either. Their employers decided to negotiate their shift change with the FBU without resorting to sacking them all.
Nice to see king Guin and TMG have picked those toys up and sewn teddies head back on!
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