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We are still waiting to hear. Anybody got a sniff of anything???
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When someone of Air rank addresses a very large unit Supply Sqn (or whatever it's called now) and says all done and dusted for Seniors (no clarification on what Senior meant?), whilst the Trade Sponsor looks on with chin on floor kinda tells the situation. ie got points all approved except.........and heres' the stopper........finance! How if this is so can the finance be a stopper either you are entitled or not, just because Supply is a new approval does that mean they should not get because the moneys run out????? theres enough pay for Bandsmen, shineys, chefs, regt etc etc so why is the lack of money only applied in respect of Supply....answers on a post card please DT_Xtremez_06:
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Possibly because of the large number of personnel within the trade. Supply is a pretty large trade.
No its not right, but that is how things are at the moment.
What are the options?
- Pay rise for elements of the Supply trade at a time when pay cuts/freezes are being discussed across all manner of public services?
- Come straight out and tell Supply you're not getting a pay rise and lose more highly-experienced staff from an already under-manned trade to the private sector?
- Drag it out for months and months, so that those staff who were thinking of leaving but haven't because they think they'll be getting a pay rise (which will bring them closer to parity with the private sector) hang around for a bit, keeping trade numbers higher than they would otherwise be and hope that they'll stay long enough to come up with another plan?
The hard truth is, although Supply is no longer the 'blanket stacking' job it was years ago and quite rightly deserves a pay rise for some elements of the trade, there is little money in the pot and the numbers involved to upband Cpl and Sgt suppliers isn't insignificant.
I think your wrong there THS. With civvy street as it currently do you honestly believe that anyone will PVR over a couple of grand pay rise?? You may think our trade is severly undermanned but it isn't.. or at least it wont be as of about May 2010 (according to my sqn ldr)
Redundancy please is right if supply have accumulated enough points to be awared the higher pay band at some levels then they should get it regarless of anything else.
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I remember last year when I showed the JSTET around the world of fuels that someone asked this very question, 'would we get it, if there was not enough 'money in the pot''? He was told that, if a rank in trade qualified then budgets would not be taken into account and the money would be found.
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And I believe you are a little naive.
It isn't about the 3k between higher and lower pay bands in the RAF, its about bringing the pay of Cpls and Sgts, people who could be earning the equivalent to level 6 FS on the higher pay band in civvy street for doing the same role that they are doing now, a little closer to parity. Its about seeing that the RAF does value them and although it can't match the civil sector will make an effort.
Con tray to the doom and gloom you see in the press many industries in the private sector are expanding, especially in the logistics sector. Indeed, the company I work for is actively recruiting middle level logistics managers to run various operations of a very large contract we are about to take on.
The work is out there, and whilst the RAF won't be able to match the pay I'm getting, moving Cpl/Sgt suppliers to the higher pay band would show faith and good willing that they are valued, the security of the job and pension at 22 may make up the rest.
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Ok if I am so niave lets ask the question... hands up on the goat who would seriously PVR if we DO NOT get moved onto the higher payband.... and in a couple of weeks when they say actually sorry guys your not going to get it I'll send you an e-mail with a link to JPA and instructons to PVRing.
I think you are niave to what is important to people. You were what an SAC with no real commitments when you left the RAF. You forget the ranks you are talking about are Cpls, Sgts and possibly even higher who have families, houses, pensions, etc etc to think about and it is only a very small amount of money as a level 5 Cpl will not (from what I am lead to believe) move across to a level 5 on the higher pay band they will move across to the appropriate level taking into account the 3% increase you will be entitled to.
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I have to say, it wouldnt influence my decision to PVR or not but it might affect whether or not I stay in past 22, given the choice.
I also have to say that the fact that this decision has dragged on for an astonishing amount of time shows a disgusting lack of regard for the ordinary stacker on the street.
I also have to say that the fact that this decision has dragged on for an astonishing amount of time shows a disgusting lack of regard for the ordinary stacker on the street.
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Who says? Didn't think anything had been released.
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What an interesting assumption, made even more so as I don't know you from Adam.
Regardless of what I was when I left or what commitments I had or still have I find it a little, in fact very, naive and a little patronising that you don't believe SACs who work/have worked for you (I persume you hold a management level rank?) don't/didn't have commitments that they'd struggle to meet with their RAF pay packet alone.
As an aside and linked to an earlier post I made, the reason I believe Cpls/Sgts should be upbanded is not due to some flight of fancy that popped into my head but due to experience working at such levels and the knowledge gained working in the civil sector as to what an equilivent pay grade would be for the skills and management experience they'd have.
I'm not 'flying blind' here.
As a further aside, I believe the general rule for 'tit for tat' chats are to take them to PMs, so if you'd like to make further assumptions as to my RAF career it might be better to make them via that route rather than clutter this thread with comments about you and I.
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Where did I say that SAC’s don’t have commitments?? I am not talking about SAC’s as they are not rumoured to being moved onto the higher pay band. You said that you think people will PVR due them not receiving the higher pay band and I don’t believe anyone would actually give up on their whole career just because of a bit of money that either way in not going to change their lives.
Maybe you are not the person I thought you were (apologies for thinking I knew) however I still think you are wrong I have been part of many discussions about this pay rise and as yet I have not heard one person say that they will leave the Air force if we do not get moved up. In fact most of us believe that we will not get it but if we do then it is a bonus. So you stating “lose more highly-experienced staff from an already under-manned trade to the private sector” is what I was saying I completely disagree with.
I agree with you that most people won't just PVR because of the decision on whether or not they move onto the higher pay band. Most Cpl's and Sgt's are in the pension trap by then, and most just wouldn't be in a position to do it if they hadn't been previously considering it anyway.
Good news about the pay bands though, you DO move across level to level, not just to the one closest to your pay with 3%. The higher up the levels you are, the higher your jump is.
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I agree with you that most people won't just PVR because of the decision on whether or not they move onto the higher pay band. Most Cpl's and Sgt's are in the pension trap by then, and most just wouldn't be in a position to do it if they hadn't been previously considering it anyway.
Good news about the pay bands though, you DO move across level to level, not just to the one closest to your pay with 3%. The higher up the levels you are, the higher your jump is.
Your right I dont think any sane person would PVR due to this but I think you will see more people leave at the 22 year point due to it, the UK has become an importer rather than an exporter and due to this fact warehouses are springing up on every bit of waste ground, logistic jobs are out there and generally better paid.......
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While I agree with most of you, that no one is going to PVR over this, especially in the current economic climate. I do believe that those coming to their 22 year point may be more likely to concider a future in Civvy street. From a personal view, having passed that 22 year point, for the first time in my service career I am concidering joining that very street. The money does mean something, it means that at last , it has been recognised how the complexity and broad spectrum of roles that our jobs now entail, and has done for some time in my view.
While some on here have said that we owe our thanks to various trade sponsors for getting us to this postion, (I acknowledge that work) the real work has been done all along by those of us who have done and continue to do the everday work with all the other crap they keep piling on us. I know no real decision has been made on this yet but the fact it has dragged out this long speaks volumes.
I care not for budgets especially on a day when they have announced that 47mil pounds have been paid in bounus's to MOD Civvy employees (I must have missed them on the Dets I have been on). I only want what I and everyone else have fairly worked for, if that has been ratified by the JSJET then give us what we are due. If they are not going to be able to afford this then suspend all JSJET reviews until the money can be found. How would Suppliers feel if Trade group 18b movers made the transision to the higher pay band and being a smaller trade could be financed!!
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While some on here have said that we owe our thanks to various trade sponsors for getting us to this postion, (I acknowledge that work) the real work has been done all along by those of us who have done and continue to do the everday work with all the other crap they keep piling on us. I know no real decision has been made on this yet but the fact it has dragged out this long speaks volumes.
I care not for budgets especially on a day when they have announced that 47mil pounds have been paid in bounus's to MOD Civvy employees (I must have missed them on the Dets I have been on). I only want what I and everyone else have fairly worked for, if that has been ratified by the JSJET then give us what we are due. If they are not going to be able to afford this then suspend all JSJET reviews until the money can be found. How would Suppliers feel if Trade group 18b movers made the transision to the higher pay band and being a smaller trade could be financed!!
I live with hope but it is constantly erroded by reality.
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Well lets hope you get it as the 'door slammers' as you all kindly refer to us as, did WO and CPLS only then the SAC's the same as us can spend another few years complaining about and still get no where,you all get to choose your trades so why complain?
You may well be very right there mate... I think the people who may well have signed on will now reconsider their options, however as a Cpl in our place has just found out when he tired to sign on past 22 and got rejected only a couple of weeks ago... they aren't that desperate to keep the 22 year people on!
Erm this post doesn't really make much sense!!
Who is complaining about their job?? No one here is moaning about doing the job we're only requesting that they give us a definative answer as to whether we're going to move onto better pay!
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