Higher Pay Band?

[File13]

Do you honestly think that the people in high places give a toss how low morale is???? Of course they don't, all they give a monkeys about is their next promotion, they tow the party line and make the right noises at the right time and hew presto another one gets promoted.

At the end of the day you will have to just get on with it or chuck your hat in. You are in the RAF me old son, take a look around you, no equality anywhere! Man up and get on with it.

WTF!! I have taken a good look around. I can see nearly all trades being paid more for having the same responsibilities. Are we not all links in a chain?
And whether or not they give a monkeys is irrellevent, they have to listen because we have a voice and want to be heard. After nearly 20 yrs I'm fed up "man-ing up", I'd much rather stand up and get paid more. As for chucking the hat in, bought the hat ready for when I am no longer a slave to the pension.
"man up" really!!

 

[Realist78]

WTF!! I have taken a good look around. I can see nearly all trades being paid more for having the same responsibilities. Are we not all links in a chain?
And whether or not they give a monkeys is irrellevent, they have to listen because we have a voice and want to be heard. After nearly 20 yrs I'm fed up "man-ing up", I'd much rather stand up and get paid more. As for chucking the hat in, bought the hat ready for when I am no longer a slave to the pension.
"man up" really!!

Something along the lines of "we hear what you're saying, however..." Only the aircrew stick together as a collective and get what they want, FRIs etc.

 

[Gillo]

Just a wee thought:-

So they don't give us the higher pay band, disillusioned people then pvr, easy for the RAF to let you out at the minute, manning starts to come down?

As Aldergrove,Kinloss,Cyprus, which are looking or have disbanded then these are going to fill quite a lot of spaces in the other UK units.

I don't know if I'm barking up the wrong tree but i would not surprise me at all if that was certain peoples thought process?

I find it strange that Movers got it but we haven't (so far) which doesn't sound too good. But stranger things have happened at sea. Maybe we need to realise that supply has far to many muppets running our trade! The higher up they get worse they get (gratis to the many few that are actually decent)

Turkeys voting for Xmas more like. Despite any number of PVRs or bad press coverage, I can't see AMP falling on his sword on this issue.
You need to get over it and move on if this is the final outcome. Plus good luck to the Movers and their COC who have worked really hard to put a strong case forward and convinced powers that they justify moving up.

Unfortunately I sat in a forum a few years ago, who were so convinced we could pull it off this time around, the option to move fuel bods up as per RLC Pet Ops was rejected out of hand. I've never been a YES man and could see things outside of an MOB perspective. Yeap dead right, poorly lead in the main with too many folkes looking for a trip to Buck House, hating Jointery or promoted beyond their ceiling to move TG 18 forward despite MJDI being rolled out at pace.
Whilst I hate agreeing with the Techie lot, most Civvie loggie jobs pay no where near the wages of an experianced SAC.
Wake up and smell the 'Coffee' but more than happy to eat my words over and over again if I'm wrong.

 

[supplyordie]

Turkeys voting for Xmas more like. Despite any number of PVRs or bad press coverage, I can't see AMP falling on his sword on this issue.
You need to get over it and move on if this is the final outcome. Plus good luck to the Movers and their COC who have worked really hard to put a strong case forward and convinced powers that they justify moving up.

Unfortunately I sat in a forum a few years ago, who were so convinced we could pull it off this time around, the option to move fuel bods up as per RLC Pet Ops was rejected out of hand. I've never been a YES man and could see things outside of an MOB perspective. Yeap dead right, poorly lead in the main with too many folkes looking for a trip to Buck House, hating Jointery or promoted beyond their ceiling to move TG 18 forward despite MJDI being rolled out at pace.
Whilst I hate agreeing with the Techie lot, most Civvie loggie jobs pay no where near the wages of an experianced SAC.
Wake up and smell the 'Coffee' but more than happy to eat my words over and over again if I'm wrong.

If you consider civvie loggie jobs as working on a counter at tesco, I completely agree with on the wages front. However There are far more skilled logistics jobs out there that do pay far more than an experienced SAC. Hence people leaving the MOB, and working for BAE and the like, with more pay and better lifestyle. As an example, a simple low level loggie working for BAE is on roughly £2500 more than a top rate SAC. FACT!!

 

[Gillo]

If you consider civvie loggie jobs as working on a counter at tesco, I completely agree with on the wages front. However There are far more skilled logistics jobs out there that do pay far more than an experienced SAC. Hence people leaving the MOB, and working for BAE and the like, with more pay and better lifestyle. As an example, a simple low level loggie working for BAE is on roughly £2500 more than a top rate SAC. FACT!!

In your dreams fella as I would like to see some evidence. Plus BAE is hardly representative of a typical Logs role in Civvy street with lack of requirement to build Fighter Jets today. Where else r u on about? With exception of overseas work pretty hard to get anywhere near a decent SACs wage at the moment.

 

[File13]

In your dreams fella as I would like to see some evidence. Plus BAE is hardly representative of a typical Logs role in Civvy street with lack of requirement to build Fighter Jets today. Where else r u on about? With exception of overseas work pretty hard to get anywhere near a decent SACs wage at the moment.

Having been fortunate/unfortunate* (delete as appropriate) to have experience working alongside *Waste of space somewhere in East Anglia I can confirm that a few SAC stackers have moved to the dark side and are now earning more money for doing the same job. If you want proof just contact any SAC at said unit and ask, they will gladly tell and provide you with all the details you need. Bit shocked you don't already know that, it's not exactly a secret.

 

[Gillo]

Having been fortunate/unfortunate* (delete as appropriate) to have experience working alongside *Waste of space somewhere in East Anglia I can confirm that a few SAC stackers have moved to the dark side and are now earning more money for doing the same job. If you want proof just contact any SAC at said unit and ask, they will gladly tell and provide you with all the details you need. Bit shocked you don't already know that, it's not exactly a secret.

OK everyone PVR and move to East Anglia. Sorry your missing the point, what jobs are out in the Private Sector that pay an average SAC's wage not withstanding capitation. Not many, so I can't see AMP using that to avoid a backlash if TG18 Supp are not moved up.

Hey I'm all over getting the lads and lasses higher pay as most muppets don't understand what we do. However, the skill sets required by an experianced SAC are just not needed out in Civvie street notwithstanding the odd exception. I just don't see much of an option to move our case forward on the 'we can do everything front' anymore. We need to box far more clever for the future of the trade and nail down some tasks that can only be carried out by highly trained and skilled staff.

 

[The Masked Geek]

However, the skill sets required by an experianced SAC are just not needed out in Civvie street notwithstanding the odd exception.

How about you explain just exactly what these skills are, you say that "muppets" do not understand the trade, yet you offer little in the way of insight.

 

[Realist78]

How about you explain just exactly what these skills are, you say that "muppets" do not understand the trade, yet you offer little in the way of insight.

Being in a position to observe their trade, I agree with Gillo on this one. From what I've seen, the majority of their trade are every bit as professional as anyone else.

 

[The Masked Geek]

Being in a position to observe their trade, I agree with Gillo on this one.

Ok then, enlighten us. I don't care how many people post their agreement, I'd like to know the facts for myself. DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Realist78]

All I'm saying is that from what I have observed, the TG18 bods are every bit as professional at their job as any other trade is, or claims to be, at their own. They do not simply count and stack blankets and if you actually went behind the scenes as it were, you might come to the same conclusion.

 

[The Masked Geek]

All I'm saying is that from what I have observed, the TG18 bods are every bit as professional at their job as any other trade is

Nobody is doubting that they are professional in their duties; just that their duties are not complex enough to attract a higher wage.

Afterall, my binmen are professional at emptying my bin but I wouldn't pay them as much as my equally professional doctor.

 

[snowball1]

Nobody is doubting that they are professional in their duties; just that their duties are not complex enough to attract a higher wage.

Afterall, my binmen are professional at emptying my bin but I wouldn't pay them as much as my equally professional doctor.

Pointless argument, considering admin and mt are on the higher band!

 

[The Masked Geek]

Pointless argument, considering admin and mt are on the higher band!

The hoodwinking of some retard into allowing those two trades up to the high payband does not render my argument invalid.

I would suggest you take the compliment in the first statement and leave while you are still ahead.

 

[dantura]

...just that their duties are not complex enough to attract a higher wage.

I formally invite you to have tour around the fuels infrastructure here at Brize. I will give you a tour myself.

FYI, it generally takes a qualified fuels manager about 3-4 months to get signed up. The complexities are such that even after more than 7 years here and 14 years in fuels I am still learning new things every day.

Not long ago a new DEOC asked if he could come and have a look what what we did (he was new and commendably wanted to see what was involved with each section he was talking to each day). His own words were, "f*cking hell, stackers are running all of this?" He was genuinely surprised, which is always the same reaction from everyone outside of the trade has (so far without exception) and that included the 2 Colonels, the Group Captain and the Civil Servant I showed around as part of the JSTET.

My point here is, don't presume you know what someone else does until you have experienced it first hand.


D

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I formally invite you to have tour around the fuels infrastructure here at Brize. I will give you a tour myself.

FYI, it generally takes a qualified fuels manager about 3-4 months to get signed up. The complexities are such that even after more than 7 years here and 14 years in fuels I am still learning new things every day.

Not long ago a new DEOC asked if he could come and have a look what what we did (he was new and commendably wanted to see what was involved with each section he was talking to each day). His own words were, "f*cking hell, stackers are running all of this?" He was genuinely surprised, which is always the same reaction from everyone outside of the trade has (so far without exception) and that included the 2 Colonels, the Group Captain and the Civil Servant I showed around as part of the JSTET.

My point here is, don't presume you know what someone else does until you have experienced it first hand.


D

Unfortunately mate, how much of the Supply trade is employed on Fuel duties?

Genuine question BTW.

 

[The Masked Geek]

Unfortunately mate, how much of the Supply trade is employed on Fuel duties?

Indeed.

My current role would attract £60k+ in civvy street but less than 5% of TG4 are in those kind of roles. (4 years to the pension and counting)

 

[Gillo]

Indeed.

My current role would attract £60k+ in civvy street but less than 5% of TG4 are in those kind of roles. (4 years to the pension and counting)

Not bad for a peanut.

 

[dantura]

Unfortunately mate, how much of the Supply trade is employed on Fuel duties?

Genuine question BTW.

It is a good point, but more than enough to be included in the JTSET.

Also, for the first time TSW was included as part of the fuels world which enabled them to look at the Tac fuels world too.

My point previously was that TMG was generalising about something which he may have had just a little outside experience.


D

 

[The Masked Geek]

Not bad for a peanut.

How very fcuking dare you. DT_Xtremez_14:



Ex-TG3 thankyou very much. (As if you didn't know.)