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[Disillusioned]

Also, is this all a 'fitness for life' issue?

You might have hit the nail on th head there more Fitness First than Fitnes for Life. All this increased fitness activity and responsibility looks like job creation for contractorisation doesn't it?

There's no need for pti's anymore, they have no war role, they're training everybody else up to be fitness leaders so they don't have to go OOA anymore so that just leaves them sitting at home manning the station gym for a minimum of £26k a year as soon as they leave training. Now why would the RAF keep forking out that sort of money when they can get a civvy company to come in and do it for less?

Watch this space, PTIs as you know them will soon be a thing of the past.

 

[Captain Gatso]

First to whinge if they didn't pay you though !!!!

It's all part of ther job we get payed for, should the Airforce pay you a bit a less in your last year cos you can't be bothered...............

But they ARE going to keep paying me all the same. I have NEVER failed my fitness test to date, and I have been in 12 + years now. I get fed up with folks who agree that we have to perform to higher standards when the ones we have had up to date have worked fine. Can you honestly tell me that these increased levels are going to change how you perform on ops? Every op I have ever been on, I have worked my arse off with no problems whilst still passing the same levels. I have done everything that has been askead of me, and some but still get C**k all for it. In my last year I am doing things for myself and I don't regret saying it at all. However I do take exception to being accused of being a whinger. If you want to start something here, lets go to fight club and sort it out.DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[dantura]

OK, I'll play Devils advocate.

Yes we do need to be fitter - we may have less sickies and more workers that way

Aaah yes, but by the very definition, do you want workers, who are in work, doing what they are trained and paid to do, or super fit gym wallers who, and I think it has already been mentioned, are spending all their time looking at mirrors and getting 'carried' by their colleagues at work?

Fitness should be continually assesed

'Assessed', by this I take it that you mean that some one in an Ivory Tower can print some Excel graphs to put on their wall and gain the next rung on the ladder.
Also, is the 'assessment'(test) unfairly biased towards one body type? I think that the term 'fitness' here is bracketed only towards aerobic fitness. Are there not many types of 'fitness'?

Equipment - I'll stick with my CS95 and SA80 rather than DMS/Putties and an SLR

Granted, but I'd still like to have the SLR back.

We get payed -- if we didn't like it we would just leave

Guess you're not in a pension trap then?

Increased ops or is just we now have ops ??

Tell that to the guys who went to the Falklands, Gulf 1, Bosnia, Sierra Leone, Kosovo, N. Ireland, and the many smaller ones that don't make big headlines.

Ageing equipment - talk to the Typhoon guys on that one !

Talk to the guys at ISK, Lyenham, Brize, Odiham, Benson.... I could go on.
One base and one platform type, does not an Airforce make.


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[PlymBoy]

..... put a very clever smoke screen around the real issues effecting the RAF at the mo.

Before the advent of bleep tests we had the 1 1/2 mile run which......, ....never recall anyone failing to do their job, on ops or on base, due to their level of fitness.

So why all this now?
Do we need to be fitter than we did 20 years ago? Possibly.
Do we need to be tested on it twice a year? Probably not.

All this aside, everyone feels very strongly about the whole thing, whether for or against, just look at the size of this thread for instance.

......... most of the talk is now about fitness tests (mainly about how they're going to fail) and about how they could get time off to go to the gym (which, I might add is a whole lot easier in my section than a lot of others).

Genius isn't it? There now seems to be a sidelining by most people about what really matters; Pay, equipment (lack of), increased ops, decreased manpower, ageing equipment etc.

I'm not saying everyone has completely forgotten about the important stuff, it just seems that with something else to worry about on a personal level everything else is taking a back seat.

As many say we now seem set on looking at fitness, med cats (Jabs,etc) CCS . Many of us who have seen the variety of fitness tests including the 1.5 mile run (jog)and Wednesday afternoons for sport are now seeing attitude change, so y should we bother? Why not fail do remedial and get out of certain tasks or Ops.

Maybe some of us care more about our jobs and being professional in them, as lots have said in this thread ' completes Ops tasks no matter how fit'
Perhaps the new JPA appraisals will change things. You can already stop incremental pay rise by certain box marking.

 

[JAFAD666]

I know I`m going to get flack for this ... and yes I know some are going to say I can`t get leave anyway. But an old Chief of mine would not sign a leave pass unless you had current RAFFT and CCS. Seemed to work ! To be fair tho I agree that the test is 5hite becase it makes no allowance for body type ... except the ridiculous yawning casm between male and female ...

 

[speccytechy]

been told by the ptis here that if you fail you get remedial then keep going until you fail three times and if you dont show any improvement or willingness to improve then admin discharge .

 

[Downsizer]

been told by the ptis here that if you fail you get remedial then keep going until you fail three times and if you dont show any improvement or willingness to improve then admin discharge .

WAAF at ths location has just had the Staish sign off her admin discharge for this very reason. Out next Wednesday. It was a long process though, over a year.

 

[speccytechy]

WAAF at ths location has just had the Staish sign off her admin discharge for this very reason. Out next Wednesday. It was a long process though, over a year.

Its good to see and hopefully will continue to happen .

 

[urhavingalaugh]

3 x Directed PT sesions is already here in sunny cyprus outside the normal shift pattern if you can't get off work.

i've heard aswelll you start to lose increment rises as well for lack of fitness DT_Xtremez_35:
and of course you SJAR has a nice box for it to

 

[BillyBunter]

3 x Directed PT sesions is already here in sunny cyprus outside the normal shift pattern if you can't get off work.

i've heard aswelll you start to lose increment rises as well for lack of fitness DT_Xtremez_35:
and of course you SJAR has a nice box for it to

You have just got to wonder if the military is going to do things like cut wages , is there a legality to it. Ive not heard of them doing this but if they did surely they would be open to a legal challenge. there is plenty out there that can pass there fitness test but cannot to OOA, should they too not be punished for not being able to fullfill there commitments !!

Just food for thought !!

 

[PLC1966]

You have just got to wonder if the military is going to do things like cut wages , is there a legality to it. Ive not heard of them doing this but if they did surely they would be open to a legal challenge.

I would suggst a Civvie Legal Eagle would earn some decent Legal Aid questioning whether deduction of wages is lawful, at which point they would also argue that if you have attempted to pass the FT and reached at least the Gals level, the RAF would not have a leg to stand on. Case law is against the RAF if anyone pushed it, the Met Police having been spanked for the different Guy/Gal fitness levels on at least a couple of occasions.

 

[Cooheed]

Come on guys, denying you an incremental increase is not cutting your wages. They are awarded for satisfactory performance. If the powers that be decide that lack of fitness or inability to pass RAFFT, means you are less than satisfactory and get no increment, well sort out your shortcomings..

 

[BillyBunter]

Come on guys, denying you an incremental increase is not cutting your wages. They are awarded for satisfactory performance. If the powers that be decide that lack of fitness or inability to pass RAFFT, means you are less than satisfactory and get no increment, well sort out your shortcomings..

Ok point well said !! I know the lads on the section aint getting high recs if they are not fit now. So no wage rise either , kinda a way of making people work on it.

I still think all this FT thing is crap, over the last 12 months all the air force has been about is FT and reaching targets. there is serious other issues that need pushed rather than this pile of tosh !!

Wish the cnuts up there would open there eyes and see some sense rather than trying to push this drivel.

Rant over !!

 

[Shinyscot]

Come on guys, denying you an incremental increase is not cutting your wages. They are awarded for satisfactory performance. If the powers that be decide that lack of fitness or inability to pass RAFFT, means you are less than satisfactory and get no increment, well sort out your shortcomings..[/QUOT

Are you also saying that an inability to pass the RAFFT due to medical reasons would also render you less than satisfactory and stop your incremental progression?

 

[tats]

Surely part of the job is to be fit and healthy? I understand it can be harder if you have medical problems but its part of their responsibility to get you back to healthy again (or am I wrong with that?)

If you're not fit then you're not doing your entire job so why get more money?

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Surely part of the job is to be fit and healthy? I understand it can be harder if you have medical problems but its part of their responsibility to get you back to healthy again (or am I wrong with that?)

If you're not fit then you're not doing your entire job so why get more money?

This is the problem you see Tats. Most people aren't denying the RAF could be fitter as a force, everyone is annoyed at how this drive is being implemented with very little feeling for rank and file service personnel.
The argument is that seeing as a majority of people are fit for ops who may fail the new levels when they come in, what does the RAFFT achieve?

Remeber, the wasters and malingerers will always find a way to get signed off for a twsited sock, avoid the FT and STILL get the tick in the box, that is what grips peoples ****.

 

[Staffyman]

Latest Fitness Rumour.

Latest Fitness Rumour.

This is no rumour at the Centre of Tonka excellence. We have just been informed that commencing in the New Year we have to carry out at least 3 fitness sessions per week, 2 x 1 hour sessions (of which we are allowed to carry out in work's time) and 1 session in our own time.

As some users have already pointed out the effect on production will be (for us):

60 mins + 30 changing/travel = 90 mins.

90 x 2 sessions = 180 mins per week = 3 hours per week per man.

This will equate in man-hours to over 2 weeks lost production time.

All this in a trade that is severly undermanned - due to redundancies, imminent remusters and (the icing on the cake) the dissolution of the Painters & Finishers trade with effect from 31 March 08 to be replaced by a contractored solution.

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TG 13b forever - well at least until March 08

 

[Captain Gatso]

I have just taken the new fitness test levels and guess what. Half of the other folks who took it on the day, would have failed if it was up and running now. It's total crap. I agree that folks have to be healthy do there job, however when there are so many more important problems on the cards at the moment regarding the future of the RAF, why are these fitness tests being treated as something as more important to that of the curent manning problems and lack of morale. Fitness is important, though I think the top brass have got to show a little bit more perspective on this and concentrate on the more immediate problems the RAF are facing now. DT_Xtremez_35:

 

[Cooheed]

Come on guys, denying you an incremental increase is not cutting your wages. They are awarded for satisfactory performance. If the powers that be decide that lack of fitness or inability to pass RAFFT, means you are less than satisfactory and get no increment, well sort out your shortcomings..[/QUOT

Are you also saying that an inability to pass the RAFFT due to medical reasons would also render you less than satisfactory and stop your incremental progression?

Not me saying it dude. Purely a hypothetical example on previous posts. I don't make the rules. Go and have a chat with the airheads that do eh?

 

[Comms_Lad]

This is no rumour at the Centre of Tonka excellence. We have just been informed that commencing in the New Year we have to carry out at least 3 fitness sessions per week, 2 x 1 hour sessions (of which we are allowed to carry out in work's time) and 1 session in our own time.

As some users have already pointed out the effect on production will be (for us):

60 mins + 30 changing/travel = 90 mins.

90 x 2 sessions = 180 mins per week = 3 hours per week per man.

This will equate in man-hours to over 2 weeks lost production time.

All this in a trade that is severly undermanned - due to redundancies, imminent remusters and (the icing on the cake) the dissolution of the Painters & Finishers trade with effect from 31 March 08 to be replaced by a contractored solution.

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TG 13b forever - well at least until March 08

Instead of whinging about it find a way to make it work, its possible. You are not the only one in a trade that is undermanned and overworked. Practically everyone is undermanned and overworked.

They will soon realise that it is bo**ocks when you cant meet the flying schedule, and you can use their own rules against them. If it says you cant do something in an official publication dont do it, if you are told to do something in orders like the FT balls then do it. What are they gonna do? Charge you for following orders?