I didnt say I felt hard done by, I was just making the point that we all work very hard, using a system that is difficult enough to follow even with training and that we deserve some recognition for it. I think some people on these forums are too quick to give a bollocking.
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I didnt say I felt hard done by, I was just making the point that we all work very hard, using a system that is difficult enough to follow even with training and that we deserve some recognition for it. I think some people on these forums are too quick to give a bollocking.
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Shirley, if you were my SAC and you came to me and said:
"I have never received one days training on JPA and am expected to know all about it, as are the rest of us"
I would ask you if you felt the need to go on the JPA course at Southwick Park, and arrange a course for you at the earliest opportunity, as would any NCO within our trade.
If of course your response was "No", I'd ask you ask to why the hell you came out with that statement if you do not want the training offered.
No Bollockings - just statements.
My original post asked if anyone had heard about the pay banding - not a "Which rank deserves it more than any other", although I agree that SACs do work hard, as do Cpls, Sgts, FS, and WOs. We are all doing more with less, despite a supposed 30% cut in workload with the introduction of JPA!!!
"I have never received one days training on JPA and am expected to know all about it, as are the rest of us"
I would ask you if you felt the need to go on the JPA course at Southwick Park, and arrange a course for you at the earliest opportunity, as would any NCO within our trade.
If of course your response was "No", I'd ask you ask to why the hell you came out with that statement if you do not want the training offered.
No Bollockings - just statements.
My original post asked if anyone had heard about the pay banding - not a "Which rank deserves it more than any other", although I agree that SACs do work hard, as do Cpls, Sgts, FS, and WOs. We are all doing more with less, despite a supposed 30% cut in workload with the introduction of JPA!!!
I have previously asked about courses and was told that places were only open to Cpls and above. I'll get back in my box now
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If you are on the Stn intranet:
http://www.tgda.innsworth.raf.r.mil.uk/live/GT_TTPs/DCLPA 1836.xls
If not, it is a 2wk course. Dates for 2008 are:
11-22 Aug
6-17 Oct
8-19 Dec
Hope you find it of benefit if you attend!
http://www.tgda.innsworth.raf.r.mil.uk/live/GT_TTPs/DCLPA 1836.xls
If not, it is a 2wk course. Dates for 2008 are:
11-22 Aug
6-17 Oct
8-19 Dec
Hope you find it of benefit if you attend!
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The original pilot courses were just for Cpl's and above but the NCO's and the Officers who attended the courses pointed out (quite rightly) that it was the SAC's on the front line of PSF's etc which needed the training more. Hence the fact there is now a JPA course specifically designed for SAC's.
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There is an update on the A1 Intranet site under the Branch and Trade Sponsor area and also a comment in the about to be issued Personnel Bulletin. Basic facts are that the evaluation went well and the process was very thorough and fair. The good thing is that we got in there first before our green and dark blue comrades. The RN have tried to put off their re-evaluation as they are not so sea based as they were 5 years ago. Needless to say, there will be no results announced until the end of the summer when their Job Evaluations are complete. Even then, if there were to be any up-bandings, the results would not take effect until 1 Apr 09. Hope that helps. 
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Why specificaly designed for SAC's are they tick.... I have found that the SAC's in PSF's are by far the most knowledgeable and many haven't attended any frickin courses. all self learnded me lud, anyway lets face it, everyone knows that adminers don't deserve the money they get now, let alone a pay rise. They only work half a day a week and the rest of the time they are on staff training, in my book anyone who needs that much training deserves a pay cut......
Rgds, Rodge,
PS... can anyone help me with this travel claim....
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Wow, which adminer p!ssed you off! Luckily I had a spare minute to read egoat as I'm on detachment at the moment. Since the implementation of JPA ALL adminers have had their work load dramatically increased. All units are overstreatched! Who are still in work on a Friday afternoon when everyone else p!sses off early? Admin!! As JPA is now supposed to be self service, we actually spend alot more time helping customers out. Give us a break!!
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Has the course been improved since last year then?, I only ask as it seemed to be leaned towards Chf Clks and more specifically how to use Excel!!
Twas certainly a learning experience - learnt that JPA could be a useful tool if used properly and more tweaks are put into place. Also learnt that everything I learnt prior to OOA has changed and that it is also really hard to tell people to feck off and read the JSPs, Op Bulletins, Self Learner guides etc so normally assist as much as possible. However, this then impacts on the mountain of paperwork not dropping so can see reason of why we should say feck off, but then we lose our once valued skills of personnel participation!! blah - blah - blah.
Back onto topic - would argue that there should be a pay rise for SAC, Cpl & Sgt - if nothing else than to cover the fact that most clerks these days are now doing the job of three (pay, appraisals & allowances) + whatever other cr@p is lying around needing doing.
More importantly - stuff any pay rises - can't they just give us some clerks back seeing as JPA has not reduced the work load one bleeding iota!
Twas certainly a learning experience - learnt that JPA could be a useful tool if used properly and more tweaks are put into place. Also learnt that everything I learnt prior to OOA has changed and that it is also really hard to tell people to feck off and read the JSPs, Op Bulletins, Self Learner guides etc so normally assist as much as possible. However, this then impacts on the mountain of paperwork not dropping so can see reason of why we should say feck off, but then we lose our once valued skills of personnel participation!! blah - blah - blah.
Back onto topic - would argue that there should be a pay rise for SAC, Cpl & Sgt - if nothing else than to cover the fact that most clerks these days are now doing the job of three (pay, appraisals & allowances) + whatever other cr@p is lying around needing doing.
More importantly - stuff any pay rises - can't they just give us some clerks back seeing as JPA has not reduced the work load one bleeding iota!
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I'd settle for that.
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I'll join that club. I would rather have more blue suits than an up-banding of any ranks.
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Taken from the ACOS site - Personnel Bulletin for May:
JOB EVALUATION (JE) OF TG17
The Joint Service Job Evaluation Team have now concluded their evaluation of TG 17 - Personnel Administrator. However, they have now advised that they wish to delay the publication of the results of their evaluation of TG17 until they have also completed their work on the equivalents within the Army and RN. It is hoped that this will occur by the end of Summer 08.
So its either good news for some of us, or bad news for the RN writers who are already in the higher pay band.
JOB EVALUATION (JE) OF TG17
The Joint Service Job Evaluation Team have now concluded their evaluation of TG 17 - Personnel Administrator. However, they have now advised that they wish to delay the publication of the results of their evaluation of TG17 until they have also completed their work on the equivalents within the Army and RN. It is hoped that this will occur by the end of Summer 08.
So its either good news for some of us, or bad news for the RN writers who are already in the higher pay band.
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No doubt the supervisors course hasn't changed when I did it it was not suited to Cpls but they made a course for SAC's based on the basic course (if thats possible) since then. In truth I've learnt more through playing than any course I've done but courses mean ticks in boxes for some reason. I have noticed the guides have improved but then I was away from trade for a bit the result of which is now 7 mths old and causing nearly as much chaos as JPA.
As to the possible pay rise why do I have the feeling that come the end summer I will still remain on my current rate of pay?
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Because any changes won't take effect until 1 Apr 09.
DT_Xtremez_31: Seriously, I suspect earlier posters are correct - we won't go up but POWTRs will come down. On the other hand, our job has changed massively in the last 2 years, our OOA turnaround time is shorter than it's ever been and our FMDL hasn't been this low for a very long time, so never say never.
Knowing my luck, Cpls will go up but Sgts won't and I'll get promoted before the changes take effect.
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But by 09 I will have moved up a pay levelBecause any changes won't take effect until 1 Apr 09.
Seriously, I suspect earlier posters are correct - we won't go up but POWTRs will come down. On the other hand, our job has changed massively in the last 2 years, our OOA turnaround time is shorter than it's ever been and our FMDL hasn't been this low for a very long time, so never say never.
Knowing my luck, Cpls will go up but Sgts won't and I'll get promoted before the changes take effect.
DT_Xtremez_31: , I just don't think the news at the end of the summer will put me on the higher level as my hubby (who by the way believes there should not be higher and lower rates just one rate for all (he's a techie before anyone whines.)).- 135
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Those Sgts (myself included) who took part in the JSJET did our damnedest - is that a word? - to emphasise the level of responsiblity consistently dumped on our shoulders by being dumped on due to gapped (FS/WO and JO) posts and Joint (with a capital A as always) OOA jobs where we invariably end up doing the job of a WO1/2 for no reward! I hope they have taken notice - if all is fair..cough/cringe..then Sgt's should get it.
You have just summed up just about every trade in the RAF. Unfortunately JSJET tend not to notice.
Because any changes won't take effect until 1 Apr 09.
Seriously, I suspect earlier posters are correct - we won't go up but POWTRs will come down. On the other hand, our job has changed massively in the last 2 years, our OOA turnaround time is shorter than it's ever been and our FMDL hasn't been this low for a very long time, so never say never.
Knowing my luck, Cpls will go up but Sgts won't and I'll get promoted before the changes take effect.
You bought a gag then mate?
BTW - the TG17 review was carried out by an old "friend" of yours - your sqn ldr when you left SHAPE.
Who "Burger Belly" there's no hope!
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