Pay Banding

[MyShineyAr$e]

Do you go level to level or do you drop levels to match your current salary?

 

[muttywhitedog]

Level to Level.

 

[Humble Scribe]

I don't know about you lot, but I am (alledgedly) trying to work out what I'm going to spend my extra £4K a year on!!DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[Weebl]

Set against the same criteria, should aircraft techies be paid more than they are? Again, yes. The problem is that the current pay structure does not allow it - but we in TG17 should not feel guilty about our (alleged) re-banding because of that.

TBJ, I don't always agree with what you say but this is spot on, just because some trades in the RAF are not paid enough, does not mean that other trades should be paid even less as some sort of backwards compensation.

 

[Murdog79]

pay rise

pay rise

Firstly would someone like to justify why they believe that an admin Cpl or above should be paid the same as an Aircraft Technician.

We sign legal documents on a daily basis that pertain to the servicability of an aircraft.

If said aircraft then crashes killing all on board then the supervisor is up for manslaughter.

The last time I checked an adminer doesnt get put in prison for accidentally shredding someones leave pass or messing up wages ( allthough, if they did then our pay might actually be right.)

This is not a dig at adminers but i'm just saying have some consideration for the overworked and underpaid people out there

just a point for note

Most adminers are already paid more in the RAF than they would be in Civvy street.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Nice fishing trip fella.

However if you are really serious, then I really hope you dont bring that kind of attitude to an adminer when your pay is wrong and you want help.

 

[MyShineyAr$e]

This is not a dig at adminers

In what world, is the line below not a dig at Adminers?

allthough, if they did then our pay might actually be right.

I hope you use spell check when you fill in your 'legal' documents you spanner!

 

[Murdog79]

pay rise

pay rise

To be fair I do maintain that attitude when my pay is messed up

Its a shineys job to get pay right

given the amount of peoples pay that is messed up on a regular basis

why should they be paid more

and anyway

I was only asking for your own justification as to why you should be on the high pay band

not a spell check

 

[Mickwreay]

What's changed since the last review that could justify a jump.

Nothing, and don't forget we've had retention worse than it is today in the past, and we didn't go up a band then.

Under pay 2000 a top level Cpl now gets paid more than a Sgt would have done in the old days, and I have taken into account inflation.

Although if we do go up to the higher band I'll regret staying on the old pension scheme.

Pretty sure you can still change between schemes. I called the pension dept & they told me to write & each case is taken on merit.

 

[Mickwreay]

The WO trade sponsor visited here a couple of weeks ago to speak to us TG17 about all things Shiney and he mentioned the possibility of moving up to the Higher Pay Band. Personally I think he should have sent the fairer of the sex from his office to make the brief easier on the eyes, but he did seem to be genuine in his efforts to promote the trade and fight to get us some recognition.

As far as the potential raise goes; it would be very nice and I wouldn't turn it down, but can we compare the work we do with that which other trades carry out that are on the Higher Band? I am trying to be objective, but how long before every trade gets in on the Higher Band.

That said, there are a few trades already on the higher Band which probably don't deserve to be there and do alot less than us.

I have an idea, why not split all the trades accross a much wider pay scale. Think there might be a template kicking around somewhere, unless it was on the MoD hard drive that got lost!!!!!

 

[MyShineyAr$e]

To be fair I do maintain that attitude when my pay is messed up

Its a shineys job to get pay right

given the amount of peoples pay that is messed up on a regular basis

why should they be paid more

and anyway

I was only asking for your own justification as to why you should be on the high pay band

not a spell check

You're right. I'm wrong. It was petty of me to lower myself to highlight your spelling mistake. I regularly make spelling mistakes myself. So we are not that different really. Which leads me to think we should get paid the same.

 

[Warwick Hunt]

As far as the potential raise goes; it would be very nice and I wouldn't turn it down, but can we compare the work we do with that which other trades carry out that are on the Higher Band?

Yes, to be honest mate, I think we can. TG17 posts, especially OOA, carry out far more responsibilty than most people credit. I, personally, as well as other TG17 members of EGoat, have been employed in posts that are designated TG17 NCO and have involved FP out of the wire, int, driving posts, logistics to name but a few. As I said, not Any Trade positions, but TG17 designated posts. RN Writers get the higher pay band because of the diversity of their work when on deployment (Fire, Flt Deck duties, bridge, etc). More and more TG17 posts are becoming just as diverse, so why shouldn't we be paid in line with the others to reflect this diversity?

 

[FOMz]

Yes, to be honest mate, I think we can. TG17 posts, especially OOA, carry out far more responsibilty than most people credit. I, personally, as well as other TG17 members of EGoat, have been employed in posts that are designated TG17 NCO and have involved FP out of the wire, int, driving posts, logistics to name but a few. As I said, not Any Trade positions, but TG17 designated posts. RN Writers get the higher pay band because of the diversity of their work when on deployment (Fire, Flt Deck duties, bridge, etc). More and more TG17 posts are becoming just as diverse, so why shouldn't we be paid in line with the others to reflect this diversity?

Everyone in rhe RN iis a firefighter, so don't try that one.

 

[Warwick Hunt]

Everyone in rhe RN iis a firefighter, so don't try that one.

I just firefighter as an example, however, as you can see, I also pointed out various other aspects of a Wtr's employment whilst on deployment.

 

[metimmee]

Will someone from TG17 please post a decent justification for getting the higher payband because its a mystery to me. I am not fishing here I just want to read something about your trade that I wasnt aware of which makes the whole thing make sense.

Failing that, does the official justification ever get published?

 

[muttywhitedog]

Its a shineys job to get pay right

And its an aircraft technicians job to get aircraft in the air.

So, if a Sqn only flies 50% of its planned sorties due to ac being u/s, does that mean teccies should be on half pay?

Thought not.

If you were to compare, in % terms, aircraft serviceability across the RAF with pay being correct, I'd lay a fair wager that the clerks would win hands down.

Also remember that a lot of the teccy's pay & allowances is wrong because lazy-ar$ed gits like you dont bother telling your admin when you are back, and then bleat when 6 months' worth of LSA is recovered.

 

[Tashy_Man]

Also remember that a lot of the teccy's pay & allowances is wrong because lazy-ar$ed gits like you dont bother telling your admin when you are back, and then bleat when 6 months' worth of LSA is recovered.

OK...I'll bite........Why should the techie have to tell the lazy ar$ed adminer that he is back ? The system should do that and any decent sqn adminer would know and action it automatically.

You whine when apparently techies don't do something and then whine when you have to action something.....fecking whiners.

Crack on...................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[FOMz]

I just firefighter as an example, however, as you can see, I also pointed out various other aspects of a Wtr's employment whilst on deployment.

Thats the same for everyone on Det. I've seen TG9 guys doing top cover on convoys, helping the movers, turning their hand to anything. You're not a special case.

When on det - you muck in - plain and simple.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

And its an aircraft technicians job to get aircraft in the air.

So, if a Sqn only flies 50% of its planned sorties due to ac being u/s, does that mean teccies should be on half pay?

Thought not.

If you were to compare, in % terms, aircraft serviceability across the RAF with pay being correct, I'd lay a fair wager that the clerks would win hands down.

Also remember that a lot of the teccy's pay & allowances is wrong because lazy-ar$ed gits like you dont bother telling your admin when you are back, and then bleat when 6 months' worth of LSA is recovered.

Mate, I know you are defending your trade, and usually you make good points, but I think your post above is a bit out of order.

As a sqn adj, surely you know how hard sqn guys work (as hard as most sqn adjs do!). Most of the time, unserviceability rates are caused by supply issues (not the people, the funding and the system)/aircrew or idiotic management decisions, not the grafters on the shop floor.

 

[busby1971]

OK...I'll bite........Why should the techie have to tell the lazy ar$ed adminer that he is back ? The system should do that and any decent sqn adminer would know and action it automatically.

You whine when apparently techies don't do something and then whine when you have to action something.....fecking whiners.

Crack on...................DT_Xtremez_09:

Because that is what you are supposed to do.

Does a pilot wander about knowning about snags without telling anybody? No he does his bit and tells the desk when he gets back (Normally after cease flying on a Friday albeit).

Adminers don't just sit there waiting to do a single task that has been handed to them by their desk, they are just trying to get on with everything they have to do.