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Woodja said:
BTW - the TG17 review was carried out by an old "friend" of yours - your sqn ldr when you left SHAPE.
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I didn't know that. I suppose there are few better qualified to consider TG17 in the tri-Service environment. Without wanting to blow my own trumpet too much, the light blue ran rings around the other Services in that office. :PDT_Xtremez_31:
 
Standby to Standby - the RN have managed to find out their results of the tri-service review.
 
Well according to the RN its has been agreed at MOD level and is now for the service to agree, would the service really say no to their guys getting a pay rise????. However theirs is

AB (SAC) - Lower
LH (Cpl) - Higher
PO (Sgt) - Higher
CPO (FS) - Higher
WO - Higher
 
Interesting.

We were having a chat about this yesterday, and could see Cpls & Sgts getting into the higher band, with SACs, FS & WO in the lower. The rationale being that there would be an incentive for SACs to get promoted, and that at the moment the FS & WOs are all so junior in time served that they'd still have time to go through a couple of levels before they got another promotion/commission.

If what has been mooted is true, do we move directly across to the corresponding level, or do we move to the nearest pay level on the other band and have to work our way up again?
 
do we move directly across to the corresponding level, or do we move to the nearest pay level on the other band and have to work our way up again?
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I'm pretty sure that you move across to the corresponding grade on the higher level (i.e. if you are currently Level 5 Low, you move to Level 5 High). Caused a bit of grumpiness at my last Unit when Cpl MTDs went to the higher level, and were going to be earning more than newly promoted Sgts (i think that its a few years before you catch up).

That said, I'll believe it (TG17 moving up) when I see it.
 
Can we have some corroboration of this before we get too excited about what level we move across onto? I haven't been at work for a few days but the last thing I read on this subject said that the results of the JSJET would not be announced until Jan.
 
NATOStandard said:
Well according to the RN its has been agreed at MOD level and is now for the service to agree, would the service really say no to their guys getting a pay rise????. However theirs is

AB (SAC) - Lower
LH (Cpl) - Higher
PO (Sgt) - Higher
CPO (FS) - Higher
WO - Higher
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Seen it with my own eyes now too so it must be true! Lets hope the RAF go the same way but the cynic in me just can't believe that we will!

Edit - on closer inspection it would appear that only the Leading Hand (Cpl) level has increased to the HR; those above have been on it for some time.
 
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The WO trade sponsor visited here a couple of weeks ago to speak to us TG17 about all things Shiney and he mentioned the possibility of moving up to the Higher Pay Band. Personally I think he should have sent the fairer of the sex from his office to make the brief easier on the eyes, but he did seem to be genuine in his efforts to promote the trade and fight to get us some recognition.

As far as the potential raise goes; it would be very nice and I wouldn't turn it down, but can we compare the work we do with that which other trades carry out that are on the Higher Band? I am trying to be objective, but how long before every trade gets in on the Higher Band.

That said, there are a few trades already on the higher Band which probably don't deserve to be there and do alot less than us.
 
MyShineyAr$e said:
As far as the potential raise goes; it would be very nice and I wouldn't turn it down, but can we compare the work we do with that which other trades carry out that are on the Higher Band? I am trying to be objective, but how long before every trade gets in on the Higher Band.

That said, there are a few trades already on the higher Band which probably don't deserve to be there and do alot less than us.
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I have always maintained that comparing salaries across trades is not helpful. Should we, as Pers Admins, be paid more than we are when we consider our core duties, manning situation and OOA turnaround times? Yes, in my opinion.

Set against the same criteria, should aircraft techies be paid more than they are? Again, yes. The problem is that the current pay structure does not allow it - but we in TG17 should not feel guilty about our (alleged) re-banding because of that.
 
I've just spoken to a very reliable source who told me that what has been mooted in previous pages will be happening very soon, and that Cpls & above will be moving to the higher band.

As for the teccy bitterness, there's none of it round here. All the guys I've mentioned it to have said "Bloody right too, with the mess of JPA that you have to deal with".
 
I've just spoken to a colleague of a colleague who has spoken to a former colleague in the pay world (who name is like a big purple dinosaur) who says they have been briefed that it IS happening.

I have to admit it will give SACs an extra incentive to stay in and get promoted.

TBJ, I can appreciate your point of view but as far as feeling guilty, its more of a shame than guilt. A similar shame as that when you get the medal for doing jack **** when someone else is being shot at.
 
Hate to say it, but i tend to agree. That puts a Sgt Admin Clerk on the same pay scale as a Sgt Air Traffic Controller.....who deserves the money more?


Mayber its time for a Higher higher payband.
 
FOMz said:
Mayber its time for a Higher higher payband.
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I can't disagree with that. I've heard rumblings that people further up the food chain have also come to view Pay 2000 as a failure and are actively looking for both short-term fixes to 'crucial' problems, e.g., pay rise on promotion to sgt and a medium- to long-term restructuring of the pay system.

What I would like to see - and what I initially hoped Pay 2000 would produce - is for each of us to receive a salary based on our rank (so all Sgts would be paid the same) and an additional emolument based on trade and qualifications.
 
True Blue Jack said:
What I would like to see - and what I initially hoped Pay 2000 would produce - is for each of us to receive a salary based on our rank (so all Sgts would be paid the same) and an additional emolument based on trade and qualifications.
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But wouldn't that cause it's own problems. For example two Pers Admin Sgts recieve the same base pay/salary. Sgt A has picked up the odd qualifaction through service sources and gets additional emoluments because of it. Sgt B, has not had the same opportunity to gain the qualifications because of the nature of his postings/dets etc. Is it fair that he should be disadvantaged?
 
MyShineyAr$e said:
But wouldn't that cause it's own problems. For example two Pers Admin Sgts recieve the same base pay/salary. Sgt A has picked up the odd qualifaction through service sources and gets additional emoluments because of it. Sgt B, has not had the same opportunity to gain the qualifications because of the nature of his postings/dets etc. Is it fair that he should be disadvantaged?
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Firstly, there can be no completely fair pay system. Somebody will always - rightly or wrongly - feel disadvantaged.

Secondly, Sgt A is (theoretically, at least) more employable than Sgt B so should be rewarded for that. For example, how often do we see trawls for qualified cashiers to volunteer for some detachment or another?

The biggest problem is that we would see people trying to get courses and qualifications just for the pay benefits while budget managers somewhere else would be working to prevent those people going on courses they deem unnecessary just to save a few bob.
 
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