Redundancies

[Max]

How will we know if we haven't been selected if that's the case? I am in the bracket but don't want it. I suspect they have underestimated the PVR fallout as well which is why the next tranche has been put on hold for the time being.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Cant speak for everywhere else, but at my place, the good/bad news is being delivered by the respective OC Wg. It is planned to have everyone from that Wg who is in the field gathered together, then each will be summoned alphabetically to be told one of the following:

1. You volunteered and you got it - congrats.
2. You were not selected - breathe easy or comiserations, depending on whether you volunteered.
3. You didnt volunteer and you were selected - kleenex are in the box behind you.

They will leave through another door.

I suggested that we should have a loop playing of this in the holding area:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZBPu7jJbJU

 

[CC]

Letters have arrived today and MWD, I was told those people who had applied and weren't successful would get told by a private letter and not by COs. After all, it was a private decision to apply so why should the CO know who applied and wasn't successful?

 

[Realist78]

Letters have arrived today and MWD, I was told those people who had applied and weren't successful would get told by a private letter and not by COs. After all, it was a private decision to apply so why should the CO know who applied and wasn't successful?[/QUOTE]

That is a most valid point.

 

[TDJ]

Station reps (normally oc pms) were at Air today collecting the packups and receiving various briefs. Therefore units will have a good 10 days to sort their admin out.

At my unit non applicants in the zone who have not been made redundant will be informed by telephone first thing. Applicants not selected will be informed by private letter. Those selected, will be in front of the CO to be given their letter and packup. Thereafter they will be invited to PSF to speak with the team, padre on standby to deal with the emotional.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Letters have arrived today and MWD, I was told those people who had applied and weren't successful would get told by a private letter and not by COs. After all, it was a private decision to apply so why should the CO know who applied and wasn't successful?

I may be wrong on that point and it may be a case of they are treated as the "breathe easy" category. However, they are planning to assemble everyone who was in the field.

 

[BogCatchTechnition]

Don't know what shift you are on but all 3 eligible heavy SNECS on ours applied for it along with 1 who wasn't eligible. We also have 2 time ex early next year so thats potentially 5 slots coming up on C (or being disestablished)

I'm on A Flt, I'll ammend my numbers to 9, still not many considering the way our Sqn has been run / treated in the last few years.

 

[MattBombHead]

Surely as it's a RAF wide issue, every station should be doing it exactly the same, with all announcements at the same time to stop any rumour mongering...

But that would involve someone giving a toss about the people who are in line for the chop...

 

[ady eflog]

It will be an odd day, some units decimated and some virtually untouched. As far as aircraft trades Coningsby should have a quiet day.

 

[BogCatchTechnition]

Surely as it's a RAF wide issue, every station should be doing it exactly the same, with all announcements at the same time to stop any rumour mongering...

But that would involve someone giving a toss about the people who are in line for the chop...

You would like to think so, but I doubt on a Stn the size of BZN they would be gathering all eligible candidates together, that would be a nightmare to organise with PODL, annual leave, Shift workers sleeping of nights, on stand down, courses ETC.

I expect it will be as described in the DIN,
Roughly as I remember if youve applied or not and you got it you will be told by your boss whether thats your CO or OC on the 01st Sep.
If you applied and havnt got it you will receive a letter via internal mail, knowing what thats like at my place i may find out by Xmas.
It said nothing about if your in the bracket and havent got it, guess if you dont hear from your boss on the 1st your safe.

 

[OneTimeSooty]

BogCatch - better push your numbers up to 10.....!

Keeping the 1st free for my interview - in fact I think I'll put on the leave plot tomorrow..... Hey, live in hope!

 

[Sospan]

I'm just going to wait and see what happens, if I get called in to see the det commander then I know it's a new life out of uniform for me with 12 months of doing cock all work and just job hunting. If I don't get a call into the office then it's posted when I get back. Either way I shall just take each moment as it comes. It does really get on mt tits though all the people who keep saying "you won't get made redundant", how do they know this? How I look at it is I'm top of the bracket and there will be no immediate pension to pay me, however I will be at highest payout for a Cpl. Which will cost the RAF less in the long run? CV being readied as I type.

The lack of IP will be a massive kick in the nuts for any non-applicant, it's the biggest farce of this whole drawdown. I really hope nobody falls into this category.

 

[BillyBunter]

****es me off I wanted to apply but had done over the 20 year mark in my rank, Im due out in two year anyway but any excuse to leave now I would have taken. Just boils my **** that I want to leave and some poor bugger who wants to stay in and get a career is going to be axed.

The rumour I heard is there potentially will be more tranches to shed more jobs.

I do fear there will be a lot of sad people come Sept 1st and will just add to a very depressed RAF we have at the moment.

 

[FootTapper]

Question for those in the shiny world involved in administering the "good news"....


I saw the posts about the letter/packups having been collected by Chief Clerks and taken to the station. How do those letters then get to the subject? Is it delivered to the OC who calls them in to their office?

What about people who are on leave on 1st Sep - does anyone *know* what arrangements are in place to ensure they find out?

 

[Lost the PLOT]

Question for those in the shiny world involved in administering the "good news"....


I saw the posts about the letter/packups having been collected by Chief Clerks and taken to the station. How do those letters then get to the subject? Is it delivered to the OC who calls them in to their office?

What about people who are on leave on 1st Sep - does anyone *know* what arrangements are in place to ensure they find out?

Great question FootTapper, Hopefully the shinies can answer that; To add a further tilt. I am posted next week then start leave at the end of that week for 2 weeks. What are the chances of my "New" Cheif Clerk having the info or will my "Old" Cheif clerk have the info?

 

[muttywhitedog]

See post 22 for how it is being done at one large unit where quite a few will be affected.

As for your question about if someone has booked leave - I cant really think that someone whose whole future was on the line would even consider not being on unit that day.

There was a directive at our place that all off-base tasking on 1 Sep for those in the frame was to either be postponed, or picked up by someone who was not in the frame. I'd say the management here are doing everything possible to ensure those affected are told ASAP on 1 Sep.

As for me? As my rank & trade wasnt in the frame this time, I'm taking the day off - I'm sure I'll read on here how it went! TG17 wont be involved very much, if at all. This sort of stuff is usually handles by the senior zobs, and maybe the Chf Clk, but for us mere mortals it will just be life as usual.

For each and every one who are affected - I hope you get what you deserve.

 

[True Blue Jack]

As for your question about if someone has booked leave - I cant really think that someone whose whole future was on the line would even consider not being on unit that day.

There are a few here but at least a few of them have had the foresight to speak with their OCs already. Some have said, "phone me whatever" and others have said, "It can keep till I'm back at work". As for the rest, rosters have been fixed so that as many as possible of those in the frame are on unit on the morning of the 1st and that was arranged a while ago, before any envelopes were collected.

 

[FootTapper]

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As for your question about if someone has booked leave - I cant really think that someone whose whole future was on the line would even consider not being on unit that day.

On the contrary, the reason I have booked leave for that day (and a few days before) is because being at work, waiting around to see if the boss is calling me into his office, or perhaps there's a letter waiting at home, or perhaps the boss should be calling me into his office but he hasn't had the message passed on yet, or, or......

^ That would seriously distract me from being able to get any work done. At all. I'd probably be pretty crap company too while I was waiting to hear news of far more important things (to me) than the routine day to day.

Since I know I'll be of no use whatsoever on the 1st Sep, or for a day or two before, I've put in leave - so at least work knows not to expect anything from me.




From a purely "personal safety" point of view - I have a 60 mile commute to work, I doubt I'll be getting much sleep the night before work, so I really don't fancy trying to drive for just over an hour to work, seriously pre-occupied and fatigued.

 

[Weebl]

As for your question about if someone has booked leave - I cant really think that someone whose whole future was on the line would even consider not being on unit that day.

Some people work shifts, some live away. I can see your point about not being away for one specific day and that works for your average day worker I suppose, but not everyone in the RAF is an average day worker.

The RAF has kept some people who desperately want a full career hanging on for long enough, to then expect them to come in on standdown/leave is just taking the p1ss.

I know a few here (non applicants) who are a bit worried have also told the boss to phone if they are being binned.

 

[fat lazy techie]

Out where I am, on ops but not getting op bonus, we have been told the det commander or an underling will give the good/bad news. Now could an adminer please just clarify a little point for me, if I get the chop does my notice start from 1st Sept or when I get back? If it's from the 1st Sept I may well just leave my kit here and civ air back to blighty. A fair commitment return methinks.