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Oops! Just been told that the Redundancy Calculator results are not correct. They're trying to fix it. Don't base any decisions on its output etc etc... Hope no-one submitted an application based on the figures.

PS everyone selected for redundancy was going to get a leaving-do funded by their parent unit in the nearest brewery but it has been found that this can no longer be organised:PDT_Xtremez_25:
 
Climebear said:
There aren't any Logs(Caterers) on the list at any rank - did you mean Logs(Chefs) or do you know something that we don't?
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Yep they're the ones. Actually looking into it a bit further seems like our ratio is more like 1 in 2.5 rather than 1 in 3:PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
Soon To Leave said:
Not everyone that volunteers for redundancy dislikes being in the RAF. There could be family/personal reasons or the extra cash could present the opportunity of persuing a different career whilst still being young enough to do so. We all have to leave sometime whether we like it or not so for some, the 'sweetner' just brings the exit date a little further forward.

Those that really dislike the RAF or for any other reason are desperate to leave will PVR anyway - so why pay them to do so?
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Ok maybe dislike is the wrong word. Maybe disillusioned with the way things are going and certainly the extra money is a good reason to bail out early.
 
Fat2at said:
Oops! Just been told that the Redundancy Calculator results are not correct. They're trying to fix it. Don't base any decisions on its output etc etc... Hope no-one submitted an application based on the figures.
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Can you explain a bit more and who has informed you they are incoreect. I know plenty people who have sent there applications away even before the station commander finished his speech ?
 
There's something about it over on Pprune as well, no idea if they've over or under estimated the estimates....

Anyone care to place any bets:PDT_Xtremez_34:

Here's the text from Pprune....
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It has become apparent that the Redundancy Calculator is not quite working as it should and some of the CLS/SCP calculations are incorrect. I have spoken to the Redundancy Focal Point (RFP) and they are fully aware of the situation. They hope to have further information by the end of today as to if/when this will be rectified and I will update you as and when I hear anything.

However in the interim please can you promulgate around your AOR that personnel should not take the information from the Redundancy Calculator as read and that this may not be what they will be entitled to if selected for Redundancy.

Nice to see they've done their best to get this info out to everyone.

I wonder, if someone has decided to go on the strength of what they thought they'd get only to find it's less will they have any right to appeal?
Why does it look like our leaders can't get anything right..

My application was in the mail out tray by 14:15. Persoanlly I'm not fussed what the pay out is, I've had enough after 22+ years and am ready to move on.
 
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i'm of the understanding that applications can be retracted within six weeks of the anouncement, so if the figures do turn out to be incorrect, you can pull your app. Doubt anyone will though, most people i though are desperate for redundancy.
 
You can pull the application anytime up to final submision day when ever that is.
 
Fu Fu Valve said:
There's something about it over on Pprune as well, no idea if they've over or under estimated the estimates....

Anyone care to place any bets:PDT_Xtremez_34:

Here's the text from Pprune....
Quote:

It has become apparent that the Redundancy Calculator is not quite working as it should and some of the CLS/SCP calculations are incorrect. I have spoken to the Redundancy Focal Point (RFP) and they are fully aware of the situation. They hope to have further information by the end of today as to if/when this will be rectified and I will update you as and when I hear anything.

However in the interim please can you promulgate around your AOR that personnel should not take the information from the Redundancy Calculator as read and that this may not be what they will be entitled to if selected for Redundancy.

Nice to see they've done their best to get this info out to everyone.

I wonder, if someone has decided to go on the strength of what they thought they'd get only to find it's less will they have any right to appeal?
Why does it look like our leaders can't get anything right..

My application was in the mail out tray by 14:15. Persoanlly I'm not fussed what the pay out is, I've had enough after 22+ years and am ready to move on.
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Yep - that's what I was told, word for word.
 
I see that anyone heading to Afghan or in Afghan is exempt, surely that would be legally unfair even if I can understand the reasons??

I see several reasons for it,
a) to get shot of those who can't/wont go OOA
b) to avoid lowering moral of those going or already out there(if that is possible)
c) to stop them having to send people back as they would lose interest( I know most guys would get on with their job)

How are people who want redundancy going to be treated if they are on a squadron for example will they be allowed to opt out of going because they want redundancy?? that would also be unfair leagally speaking wouldn't it??

Or am I being over paranoid in thinking they are trying to persuade people to PVR instead??

I know the usual decision making processes within the RAF are poor but this one seems worse than usual to me??
 
Max said:
I see that anyone heading to Afghan or in Afghan is exempt, surely that would be legally unfair even if I can understand the reasons??
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I don't know about the whole legality of it and I'm sure it's purely a PR issue, but I can bet it will **** off a few people.
 
Max said:
I see that anyone heading to Afghan or in Afghan is exempt, surely that would be legally unfair even if I can understand the reasons??

I see several reasons for it,
a) to get shot of those who can't/wont go OOA
b) to avoid lowering moral of those going or already out there(if that is possible)
c) to stop them having to send people back as they would lose interest( I know most guys would get on with their job)

How are people who want redundancy going to be treated if they are on a squadron for example will they be allowed to opt out of going because they want redundancy?? that would also be unfair leagally speaking wouldn't it??

Or am I being over paranoid in thinking they are trying to persuade people to PVR instead??

I know the usual decision making processes within the RAF are poor but this one seems worse than usual to me??
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This decision is still under hot debate as the Tories are still sticking to the line that no-one who is going or returning from Ops (specifically those in receipt of the Op Bonus). However it has been pointed out that there are some who are just going now and will be back just before september who could theoretically be selected as non-volunteers. Personally I think that it's a complete betrayal for any military personnel to be given the push - currently serving or not it's highly likely that they will have served at some point and risked their lives for a country that plain and simply does not care, despite the rhetoric by gutless politicians.
 
Max said:
I see that anyone heading to Afghan or in Afghan is exempt, surely that would be legally unfair even if I can understand the reasons??

I see several reasons for it,
a) to get shot of those who can't/wont go OOA
b) to avoid lowering moral of those going or already out there(if that is possible)
c) to stop them having to send people back as they would lose interest( I know most guys would get on with their job)

How are people who want redundancy going to be treated if they are on a squadron for example will they be allowed to opt out of going because they want redundancy?? that would also be unfair leagally speaking wouldn't it??

Or am I being over paranoid in thinking they are trying to persuade people to PVR instead??

I know the usual decision making processes within the RAF are poor but this one seems worse than usual to me??
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I fall right into that category as am due to go to Afgan in Oct. How I read it was that I was still able to apply and if I was selected my 6 months notice would start when I came back and had finished my leave. I am sure that’s what it said in the DIN.

I hope I am right as if not I will either have to fain injury to get out of my OOA, something I would really not do as some poor git will get stitched at short notice to replace me. Or mess about trying to appeal there redundancy boards decision.

Also the mercenary bit in me see an Afgan tour plus redundancy as 2 big pay days in one year.
 
RAF Vale said:
I fall right into that category as am due to go to Afgan in Oct. How I read it was that I was still able to apply and if I was selected my 6 months notice would start when I came back and had finished my leave. I am sure that’s what it said in the DIN.

I hope I am right as if not I will either have to fain injury to get out of my OOA, something I would really not do as some poor git will get stitched at short notice to replace me. Or mess about trying to appeal there redundancy boards decision.

Also the mercenary bit in me see an Afgan tour plus redundancy as 2 big pay days in one year.
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Well that's one of the things I figured might happen which is why I was asking, doesn't apply to me but it seems that the process might cause more problems than expected. I still think my rank and trade will be over subscribed anyway so here's hoping...
 
Soon To Leave said:
Not everyone that volunteers for redundancy dislikes being in the RAF. There could be family/personal reasons or the extra cash could present the opportunity of persuing a different career whilst still being young enough to do so. We all have to leave sometime whether we like it or not so for some, the 'sweetner' just brings the exit date a little further forward.

Those that really dislike the RAF or for any other reason are desperate to leave will PVR anyway - so why pay them to do so?
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I completely agree, I'v always loved my job, have had a brilliant time whilst serving and met some of the best people.
Every day I'm at work I'm there with a smile on my face, BUT I will be putting my application in as soon as I start my next shift.
The reason being due to a downgrading for a spinal injury I am never getting promoted therefore I'm never going to get signed to 55.
So with 5 years left do I just see my time out or do i take the extra 31k now and move to a job who doesnt care if i can run up and down a gym.

As much as I enjoy the RAF I simply cant turn down this oportunity.
 
I noticed for TG1 Mechs and Fairies that under the exclusion column it says Aircraft Ground Engineers and Licensed Engineers....

does that mean for example, CPL AVs on typhoon or tornado 1st line squadrons have no chance?
 
There was an ACOS pre-redundancy brief at Cottesmore where it was said that AOC 1 Gp has stated that "He will not allow there to be a capability gap on Typhoon-qualified engineers". When grilled by the mainly Harrier-Q'd personnel, it was along the lines of:

Holding a typhoon Q means you are seen as far more employable than non-typhoon Q'd personnel, and therefore stood much less chance of getting redundancy.
 
SirSaltyHelmet said:
No chance? No chance of redundancy or no chance of staying in?

Ground Engineer I believe refers to GEs.
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chance of redundancy. Its just interesting the way it says AIRCRAFT ground engineer. I heard anyone with a typhoon Q course is safe, which sucks for the rest of us mere mortals!
 
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