Retention.....

[Tashy_Man]

How long should you cling onto a sinking ship before you realise its going down with or without you?
WW

If your already thinking like that I would suggest that the time to jump has long passed !

Crack on..................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Dilligaf Jagman]

Pvr's

Pvr's

OK Mods, it seems there is most definately an issue with retention!! How about a survey of the highest CONFIRMED percentage of PVR's on a Station? I can start you off with Marham @ 40% and rising! Can anyone out there trump that? (I heard a rumour that Lossie can!)

"Last one out hang the keys on the gate"

 

[Tashy_Man]

I can start you off with Marham @ 40% and rising! Can anyone out there trump that? (I heard a rumour that Lossie can!)

"Last one out hang the keys on the gate"

IF that is true then you are one paddled up a creek full of S2's ramblings !!!

But as you say I know Lossie is bad but Official figures....dunno...do they exist...are they allowed to exist ?

PVR on.....................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Dilligaf Jagman]

PVR Central

PVR Central

IF that is true then you are one paddled up a creek full of S2's ramblings !!!

But as you say I know Lossie is bad but Official figures....dunno...do they exist...are they allowed to exist ?

PVR on.....................DT_Xtremez_09:

It's true, got from two seperate VERY reliable sources!

 

[tommo9999]

Even the Families Federation is getting in on the act, and asking for people to fill out a questionnaire about pay and stuff in an effort to influence the 09 pay award. Should it really come to this?

www.raf-ff.org.uk

 

[Tashy_Man]

It's true, got from two seperate VERY reliable sources!

Well if I was you (which obviously I'm not and it wouldn't affect me the same way) I would be telling as many media people that would listen to me as possible as those figures mean that there are SEVERE problems that the government are trying to cover up.

Crack on..........................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[monobrow]

Even the Families Federation is getting in on the act, and asking for people to fill out a questionnaire about pay and stuff in an effort to influence the 09 pay award. Should it really come to this?

www.raf-ff.org.uk

Strangely the comments box seemed to have no limit.DT_Xtremez_06:

 

[Teh Wal]

OK Mods, it seems there is most definately an issue with retention!! How about a survey of the highest CONFIRMED percentage of PVR's on a Station? I can start you off with Marham @ 40% and rising! Can anyone out there trump that? (I heard a rumour that Lossie can!)

"Last one out hang the keys on the gate"

40%!!?? Holy-moly :0

ISL last September was at 17% (confirmed by a Grosse Fromage on our sections AFI), dunno what it's standing at nowadays but I can't imagine it getting any less TBH.

I heard a rumour today that RAF manpower is now down to 37000... I thought the idea behind the redundancy program was to get down to 40000: if 37K is good gen then most of us "doom merchants" have been proved correct when we forecast this would happen. Can anyone confirm (or otherwise) that manpower figure?

 

[Realist78]

40%!!?? Holy-moly :0

ISL last September was at 17% (confirmed by a Grosse Fromage on our sections AFI), dunno what it's standing at nowadays but I can't imagine it getting any less TBH.

Has the next few year's plot been published at ISL yet? A certain tonka sqn out here had their briefing yesterday and looking at it, I can predict with certainty that 17% is feck all compared with what it's going to be next year!DT_Xtremez_26:

 

[busby1971]

PVR or Notice

PVR or Notice

They may refuse your PVR but you have a right to put your Notice in, as long as you are on a Notice Engagement.

Pip Pip

 

[Tashy_Man]

They may refuse your PVR but you have a right to put your Notice in, as long as you are on a Notice Engagement.

Pip Pip

When they start this then you will know it is crisis point...my guess next month !!!

Crack on...................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Studley dangerfcuk]

I'm sorry, but how can they refuse a PVR. I think i might have missed something. I thought they had to accept it whether they like it or not (European Law or somit).

Please point out the error of my ways.

Studley DT_Xtremez_35:

 

[Skeedledee]

My god I have heard it all now. If only I could PVR without losing my pension then I would gladly do it just to hear them grovel down the blower.

 

[MeRlIn HaTeR]

One of our lads asked ACOS for a posting after 4 years on type he was told there are no moves for JHC bods and the only way out is exchange or PVR!

He said why cant you post me as you are going to have to find a replacement for me anyway. The very helpful answer was if you PVR we dont have to find a replacement for a year!:0

Manning's role is absolutely key to the effective delivery of air power; we place highly trained men and women wherever they are needed, and manage their careers to provide opportunity, excitement and reward.

After 6 years Merlin the above statement has never rung true, time to vote with my feet, I've heard the North Sea is nice at this time of year!

 

[pixie]

Here's the latest....

Here's the latest....

ACOS Manning are now offering people extension of service as below:

TO ALLEVIATE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM MANNING REQUIREMENTS,
OPPORTUNITIES HAVE ARISEN FOR PERSONNEL TO SERVE BEYOND THEIR
NORMAL ENGAGEMENT EXPIRY DATE (EED). PERSONNEL DUE TO LEAVE THE
SERVICE IN THE NEXT 2 YRS (WITH AN EED PRIOR TO 1 JUL 2010) AND
SERVING ON A MINIMUM 22 YEAR ENGAGEMENT ARE INVITED TO APPLY FOR UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 3 YEARS CONTINUANCE. APPLICANTS MUST BE AWARE THAT IN SOME INSTANCES ACCEPTANCE OF THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICE MAY RESULT IN AN ASSIGNMENT AWAY FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION TO FULFIL AN URGENT MANNING NEED ELSEWHERE.

Theres more but you'll be able to get the info from your HR Admin..........

 

[Captain Gatso]

DT_Xtremez_09:

When they start this then you will know it is crisis point...my guess next month !!!

Crack on...................DT_Xtremez_09:

Gotta agree with you on this Tashy. If there are folks who definatly thinking of jumping ship, I would do it now, as I have a feeling that ACOS will start to try and delay, if not refuse PVR applications very soon. As what's been mentioned about Swampy land's Airbase. When I left I askead the resettlement folks how many people they had on thier books who where going through the leaving process. The reply that I got was around 400. Now considering that Swampy Airbase, at the time, had around 2500 folks, thats a very large wedge of the cake. 40%, I can beleive those stats.DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[LtechFS]

Captain Gatso, I hate to be the bringer of bad news my friend but what you say (regarding GEs PVRing) is absolutely correct.
The big Oxfordshire base is losing GEs like nobodys business and that's before we start talking about those SNCOs who are 'Just doing their time' and not signing on.
It's got to the stage at this base where the one of the 1st questions you are asked in the Sgt's Mess is "How long have you got left to do then?"
The Air Force is leaking it's life blood folks.
I for one wouldn't swap 20 AMMs for 1 time-served, hard-nosed, politically incorrect SNCO. You can keep your ass kissers, medal seekers and MBE grabbers. Those guys and girls who KNOW they can make it in the real world are leaving in their droves and I for one am seriously thinking of joining them.
How long should you cling onto a sinking ship before you realise its going down with or without you?
WW

My bold above
I left as a corporal in April 1989 after completing 7 years of a potential 12. It was the same back then, anyone who had the balls to leave and the foresight to see the RAF was a sinking ship (even that long ago) was PVRing. I cant remember the name of the scheme that I got out under but it was something to do with a glut of tradesman after the cancellation of the Nimrod AEW3 project. I PVR'd and was out in 4 days !! I PVRd for similar reasons that I'm reading about here but the main one was watching useless wankers getting promoted because they ran the station stamp collecting club regardless of the standard of their day to day work. Even back then it was obvious that the sh1t was going to hit the fan and reading the posts of some of the older guys on here I bet they wished they had jumped sooner.
Lots of comments on here about the great unwashed being ignored, it twas ever thus. You only had to look at the tossers coming staight from uni as ENGOs who thought they knew everything and in actual fact knew feck all, especially about man management. The old 'them and us' officers and other ranks class system is alive and well in the RAF and there is no way that the orifices can be seen to be saying the troops were right.
In short I miss the lifestyle a lot but I'm glad I went when I did.
Apologies if this is disjointed but Im just letting it pour out.
Any ex RAF St Athan 3 Sqn avionic techies out there ? DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Joe_90]

I'm sorry, but how can they refuse a PVR. I think i might have missed something. I thought they had to accept it whether they like it or not (European Law or somit).

Please point out the error of my ways.

Studley DT_Xtremez_35:

Busbys post is exactly right, when you PVR you're asking for permission to leave, they can't block your notice though. It just takes 6 months longer in most trades than a PVR does but I believe it is much easier to plan your life around.

 

[Warwick Hunt]

ACOS Manning are now offering people extension of service as below:

TO ALLEVIATE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM MANNING REQUIREMENTS,
OPPORTUNITIES HAVE ARISEN FOR PERSONNEL TO SERVE BEYOND THEIR
NORMAL ENGAGEMENT EXPIRY DATE (EED). PERSONNEL DUE TO LEAVE THE
SERVICE IN THE NEXT 2 YRS (WITH AN EED PRIOR TO 1 JUL 2010) AND
SERVING ON A MINIMUM 22 YEAR ENGAGEMENT ARE INVITED TO APPLY FOR UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 3 YEARS CONTINUANCE. APPLICANTS MUST BE AWARE THAT IN SOME INSTANCES ACCEPTANCE OF THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICE MAY RESULT IN AN ASSIGNMENT AWAY FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION TO FULFIL AN URGENT MANNING NEED ELSEWHERE.

Theres more but you'll be able to get the info from your HR Admin..........

In other words, "even though you're doing us a favour, be prepared for us to fcuk you over!"

 

[fileeth]

ACOS Manning are now offering people extension of service as below:

TO ALLEVIATE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM MANNING REQUIREMENTS,
OPPORTUNITIES HAVE ARISEN FOR PERSONNEL TO SERVE BEYOND THEIR
NORMAL ENGAGEMENT EXPIRY DATE (EED). PERSONNEL DUE TO LEAVE THE
SERVICE IN THE NEXT 2 YRS (WITH AN EED PRIOR TO 1 JUL 2010) AND
SERVING ON A MINIMUM 22 YEAR ENGAGEMENT ARE INVITED TO APPLY FOR UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 3 YEARS CONTINUANCE. APPLICANTS MUST BE AWARE THAT IN SOME INSTANCES ACCEPTANCE OF THIS ADDITIONAL SERVICE MAY RESULT IN AN ASSIGNMENT AWAY FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION TO FULFIL AN URGENT MANNING NEED ELSEWHERE.

Theres more but you'll be able to get the info from your HR Admin..........

My notice has been submitted and accepted so life is looking rosy.

I'm eligable for this extension of service but why would I want to? I was on for LOS30, but have put my notice in at the 22 yr point - so what would be the point of extending 3 years when i'm leaving 8 years early.

I suspect i'm not the only one in this position but are the people in the ivory towers now starting to grasp the problem they've got although this will only be the 'tip of the iceberg' in the next 12 - 18 months i feel.