Retention.....

[dolly]

Banged in my PVR a couple of weeks ago, Got asked why i wanted to leave. my answer ... coz i am intelligent...just who the fcuk do manning think they are?! if they think i am gonna lie back and let them continue to sh1t on me then they have another thing coming, i have been in post 18 months (ish) for a over year of this i have been doing a cpls job but only getting payed for 8 months of it coz of stupid fcuking rules and other fcuk ups, why the fcuk should i continue to stick my neck out and take up the slack coz some airship fcuked up, there sure as hell aint anyone sticking their neck out for me. I am now an A/cpl doin what is really a sgts job, not to mention an SMOs job too because we have sodding civvie doctors that i have to babysit every day. ACOS thought they could lead me up the garden path, they thought that cos i am only 21 i am naive and stupid and will give it "3 bags full sir", sorry not on this call sign, i may be very young but i am no fool and will not be taken as one. I dont even make a grand a month take home yet have been told when i am out that i have a 4k a month job waiting for me, lesson to ACOS if you have someone that valuable fcuking hold on to them, stop looking at a rank to value someones worth!

Stupid, stupid, ba*tard airforce! (climbs off soapbox)... rant over....out.

 

[Natural_Wastage]

I am now an A/cpl

I am only 21

The JT's of the Air Farce feel your pain...DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[dolly]

The JT's of the Air Farce feel your pain...DT_Xtremez_30:

sorry yes that could sound ridiculous, i have to be made upto cpl because their is no one else to do it, if i was a 2 year SAC or a 12 year SAC it would still have to happen. so its by default not by actual promotion.

 

[MrMasher]

Why are they worrying about keeping SNCO's in?
There are loads of Cpls waiting for promotion, which is sh1te at the minute in the techie trades as they are all dual traded boards now.
Let em go and free up the ranks a bit!DT_Xtremez_30:
How about aiming the incentives at the Cpls to take their 3rd and sign on to LOS30?

 

[Realist78]

Why are they worrying about keeping SNCO's in?
There are loads of Cpls waiting for promotion, which is sh1te at the minute in the techie trades as they are all dual traded boards now.
Let em go and free up the ranks a bit!DT_Xtremez_30:
How about aiming the incentives at the Cpls to take their 3rd and sign on to LOS30?

Experience. Whilst there are many Cpls good enough and waiting to be promoted, if a large number of Sgt-WOs fecked off it would leave a large hole to fill. Also, people of all ranks are getting fcuked over in one way or another.

 

[dolly]

. Also, people of all ranks are getting fcuked over in one way or another.

your right, its all ranks and all trades, although i havent heared much bleating from officers or aicrew, anyone know if they are in the same boat as the rest of us?

 

[Sospan]

Experience. Whilst there are many Cpls good enough and waiting to be promoted, if a large number of Sgt-WOs fecked off it would leave a large hole to fill. Also, people of all ranks are getting fcuked over in one way or another.

Would you prefer a young thruster who is good at his job or a crusty experienced SNCO who is only staying in for the money ?

I know the ideal answer is a blend of both, but from what people seem to be saying on here the ground trade Manning situation is like a run away train.

 

[PingDit]

your right, its all ranks and all trades, although i havent heared much bleating from officers or aicrew, anyone know if they are in the same boat as the rest of us?[/quote]

Can't speak for the Officer corps, but NCA are severely stretched, particularly on rotary wing.

As an aside - I see todays Telegraph reports that there are 2500 people leaving each year from all 3 services MORE than are being recruited.

Calling all rocket scientists.......

 

[Moz_Magister]

I sit next to a rocket scientist at work (really), he's done the maths and he says we're fcuked.

He suggests that we put lids on sticks and leave some lights on so it looks like there's some people left from the air.

 

[Realist78]

Would you prefer a young thruster who is good at his job or a crusty experienced SNCO who is only staying in for the money ?

I know the ideal answer is a blend of both, but from what people seem to be saying on here the ground trade Manning situation is like a run away train.

Two extremes. My point was whilst you can expect a good cpl to get along and be promoted every few years, you can't expect the same cpl(s) to fill the void at levels higher than sgt until they have experience of that rank etc. As for people staying in for the money, maybe they have stopped in until now hoping for a bit of common sense to applied because they actually like the job but are seeing it being destroyed piecemeal by the treasury and will jump too in the near future if things don't improve.

 

[Sospan]

Two extremes. My point was whilst you can expect a good cpl to get along and be promoted every few years, you can't expect the same cpl(s) to fill the void at levels higher than sgt until they have experience of that rank etc. As for people staying in for the money, maybe they have stopped in until now hoping for a bit of common sense to applied because they actually like the job but are seeing it being destroyed piecemeal by the treasury and will jump too in the near future if things don't improve.

What Mr Masher was eluding to, is that there are many many good Cpl's knocking on the door but are being blocked by some deadwood seniors. This is being exasperated by the recent inclusion on continuance (but thats for another thread).

 

[Mickwreay]

Pay & conditions

Pay & conditions

I apologise if I am repeating anyone within this thread.
What people really want is to feel valued and respected.
As one of the young lads/lasses said earlier, they were doing at the very least a job of one rank above. I had the pleasure of managing a lad @ Leeming who was acting CPL for over 2 years, he finally got promoted but by the time his 1st SJAR was due he was well on the way to being ready for promotion again!
Acting rank at whatever level should be rewarded by paying the person immediately, the only exception should be a maximum period of 2 weeks for leave, as many civvie firms would not pay for that time either.
As far as pay in general is concerned, one of most people’s biggest frustrations is the pathetic jump between ranks, especially when promotion is often accompanied by a posting. With the rising cost of fuel and living in expenses most of us stick two fingers up at a single tour simply to gain the hard earned promotion.
Surely somebody is listening & reading all the gripes? If not then heads in sand springs to mind!

 

[Realist78]

What Mr Masher was eluding to, is that there are many many good Cpl's knocking on the door but are being blocked by some deadwood seniors. This is being exasperated by the recent inclusion on continuance (but thats for another thread).

Surely many, many good cpls can only be blocked by many, many deadwood seniors! Also, blaming the seniors for what is the result of government cuts is bit off. I'm fully aware of what MM is alluding to but sweeping generalisations aren't the answer.

 

[Sospan]

Surely many, many good cpls can only be blocked by many, many deadwood seniors! Also, blaming the seniors for what is the result of government cuts is bit off. I'm fully aware of what MM is alluding to but sweeping generalisations aren't the answer.

I am not pointing the finger at the people taking continuance or any other quick fix policy that is dreamt up. The main problem is the lack of foresight, how has this been allowed to happen ? I cannot see that paying people a financial package to stay in the service when they have made their minds up to leave is good for the rest of us in the long term.

 

[fileeth]

Perhaps some of the fustrated JNCOs who elude to being blocked by 'dead wood' SNCOs aren't actually ready/deemed fit for promotion yet.

Also perhaps some of the 'dead wood' SNCOs are not 'dead wood' and actaully do a good job and hence the JNCOs aren't getting ther opportunity to take up the mantel yet. (provocking response - await incoming)

 

[Realist78]

I am not pointing the finger at the people taking continuance or any other quick fix policy that is dreamt up. The main problem is the lack of foresight, how has this been allowed to happen ? I cannot see that paying people a financial package to stay in the service when they have made their minds up to leave is good for the rest of us in the long term.

That depends on how much value is placed on that huge amount of experience that is going out of the door.

 

[Sospan]

Perhaps some of the fustrated JNCOs who elude to being blocked by 'dead wood' SNCOs aren't actually ready/deemed fit for promotion yet.

Also perhaps some of the 'dead wood' SNCOs are not 'dead wood' and actaully do a good job and hence the JNCOs aren't getting ther opportunity to take up the mantel yet. (provocking response - await incoming)

We are all entitled to our own opinion, mine will be disliked by many! I think we have far too many dinosaurs amongsed the senior ranks, the Air Force is now unrecognisable compared to the 80's and whilst some have moved with the times many are stuck in the days of Germany and putties! We need to move on and not dwell on how it used to be, we have lost most of our perks and posting but its gone and it wont be changing back. Now I await the incoming!!!!

 

[Sospan]

That depends on how much value is placed on that huge amount of experience that is going out of the door.

Thats very true, I have no doubt that in some areas the quality of Cpls coming through would not be able to cope with the void leaving, this in my opinion is not the case throughout.

 

[Realist78]

Thats very true, I have no doubt that in some areas the quality of Cpls coming through would not be able to cope with the void leaving, this in my opinion is not the case throughout.

I never alluded to it being so. What I said was that yes, the cpls can obviously fill the void of sgts leaving but what of those above sgt, you can't replace them with cpls in the short term. Furthermore, is this a retention thread or retention of cpls thread?

 

[Sospan]

I never alluded to it being so. What I said was that yes, the cpls can obviously fill the void of sgts leaving but what of those above sgt, you can't replace them with cpls in the short term. Furthermore, is this a retention thread or retention of cpls thread?

Its evolved from the fact SNCO retention has been highlighted by many people on here recently. There is a few short term solutions but none of them are ideal. You seem to resent the promotion of Cpls. (I have not been fishing for that)