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fergo
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Cant see Collins myself. Too young and inexperienced, he was only at Hibs for 14 months and inherited quite a lot of that team IMO.
I am right behind Souness 100%
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Cant see Collins myself. Too young and inexperienced, he was only at Hibs for 14 months and inherited quite a lot of that team IMO.
I am right behind Souness 100%
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fergo
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Think i put his managerial credentials up else where on this thread. Have a wee read.
International football management would suit him.
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Albert Park
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Are these the credentials?
No league in Portugal! You made that bit up, didn't you? Here's his record: (with nothing made up) Have a good read.
Honours as manager courtesy of Wikipedia
Rangers
Winners
1986-87 Scottish League Cup
1986-87 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1987-88 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish League Cup
1988-89 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1989-90 Scottish Premier League (Level 1)
1990-91 Scottish League Cup
1990-91 Scottish Premier League (Level 1) (Left with 5 games to go)
Runner up
1988-89 Scottish Cup
1989-90 Scottish League Cup
Liverpool
Winners
1991-92 FA Cup
Runner up
1992-93 Charity Shield
Galatasaray
Winners
1995-96 Turkish Cup
1996-97 Turkish Super Cup
Benfica
Runner up
1997-98 Portuguese First Division
Blackburn Rovers
Winners
2001-02 League Cup
Runner up
2000-01 Football League First Division (Level 2) Promotion
So, in a nutshell, this is his career as a manager:
Rangers - embarked on a spending spree that brought in players that were too good for the other teams to compete against. Commonly known as buying success the Blackburn way (For Jack Walker's millions read David Murray's millions).
Liverpool - completely undone in 4 years what it had taken 4 decades to build. Oh, they won the FA Cup - the 'Glory Days' return to Anfield.
Galatasaray - failed to win the championship, which they had been doing with monotonous regularity before and, funnily enough, immediately after his departure. Winning 2 cups on the continent is not seen as success, in any way, shape or form.
Southampton - Two words: Ali Dia. That just about sums him up.
Torino - 4 months and sacked.
Blackburn - 1 League Cup, 1 promotion and countless big-money signings. Not a favourite of the fans.
And finally ..... my favourite Fat Freddy Shepherd appointment
Newcastle - Boumsong and Luque were amongst the multi-millions squandered. Nil return for this investment, being sacked only to be replaced by ....... Glenn Roeder.
So, it's not the sort of CV that you'd be too proud of. If you are deluded enough to think he's got the 'credentials' then more fool you. You've got another Berti Vogts on your hands if he gets the job. You heard it here first.
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fergo
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First of all pot kettle black, Mclaren nuff said. Your team with all their supposed world beaters couldnt beat Macedonia.
I took some of his credentials from wiki some from the paper in front of me at that minute. No portugese league, but who cares.
Souness is massivly respected in Scotland, i think you will find he didnt spend mega bucks at Rangers but brought in good quality players. Butcher, Woods etc and with some gret Scottish talent started the 9 in a row quest.
He was a world class central midfielder and was capped 54 times for his country the players will react to that.
He is by no means the best club manager around but he will thrive with a Scotland team that has shown a lot of promise.
the fans at balckburn may not have liked him but he got them promoted, end result did what he was requiered to do.
Has anyone had success at Newcastle, no!
And as for puttting himself out his comfort zone and managing abroad, it has been risky and mixed but it is called experience.
Going back as a player to a club you played at is never easy and i think at the time he did as good as could be expected at Liverpool.
All in all your interpretation is different than others, your not Scottish anyway, quite a lot of us are keen on him, oh and he speaks English/Scottish.
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Albert Park
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He might be respected in Scotland but down here, only as a player. Not, repeat not, as a manager. He's well out of his depth. The Ali Dia chapter should be enough to prevent him from managing ever again. But, foolishly, teams give him a job.
The clearest picture of the failings of Souness is in Turkey. It was expected of him not only to win the league but to romp it. He couldn't do it. He bought Briane Deane, FFS. He then tried to win the fans over with his 'flag in the centre circle' publicity stunt, but they saw through him.
As you eluded, I'm not Scottish, and I couldn't care too hoots about your team, but when you put out nonsense then you must expect to be pulled up.
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fergo
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The “fact’s” in front of me at the time of posting were that he had won the Portuguese League. Why would I bother to make something up? The rest was ripped from wiki by myself, remember it is not the most reliable of websites.
As a Rangers fan he is well respected up here, he turned Ranger’s around and his effect on the game resonated into the late 90’s. But again, you wouldn’t know about that.
Quite simply he went to Turkey and gained valuable experience outside his normal footballing environment. Not many of the current crop of managers have experience abroad. Oh, and I said about comfort zone.
“As you eluded, I'm not Scottish, and I couldn't care too hoots about your team”
Then why share your opinion?
All I was saying is your tone is very patronising and self righteous get your own house in order first!
International Football is a completely different stage to club management with it’s own unique challenges. This IMO would suit Souness and his style of management. The Scottish players would want to pull the jersey on for him and his experience as one of our best players would be respected and he would get results from the players.
Clearly many managers have got teams Promoted, he is one of them. He also won the League Cup and got a top 6 finish out of quite a mixed team. Can’t ask for much more from a team like Blackburn.
50 years ago is called History! Too many clubs in England think they have a right to Trophies because they one a couple a few years back. Allerdyce, Gullit, Dalglish, even the great Sir Bobby Robson and Roeder have all been unsuccessful in recent times.
“What has my nationality and the language got to do with it.”
Your not Scottish so why bother? And again your manager can’t put a sentence together. Although he does potentially have some good players to work with if he picks the right team.
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Albert Park
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If you put a thread on a forum then expect people to respond to it. You obviously find it hard to take in what I'm saying and are taking it personally. If so, unlucky. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Seeing as you are obviously in love with Souness, and will defend him through thin and thin, I'll leave you to get on with it. Before I go I will leave you with the reminder of Ali Dia. Nice one, Souness. International manager, my arse.
Ali Dia (born Dakar, 20 August 1965 in Dakar, Senegal) is a former amateur Senegalese footballer who once played for English FA Premier League club Southampton, after falsely claiming to be a Senegalese international.
After a playing career at the lower levels in France and Germany, and having already had failed trials at Port Vale, Gillingham and Bournemouth, before playing at semi-pro club Blyth Spartans, Dia was signed by Southampton manager Graeme Souness in 1996, after Souness received a phone call purporting to be from Liberian international and former FIFA World Player of the Year George Weah. "Weah" told Souness that Dia was his cousin, had played for Paris Saint-Germain and had played 13 times for his country. In actual fact, none of this was true, and the phone call was from Dia's agent. Nonetheless, Souness was convinced, and signed Dia on a one-month contract.
Dia played just one game for Southampton, in the number 33 shirt, against Leeds United on November 23 1996; he had originally been scheduled to play in a reserve friendly against Arsenal, but the match was cancelled due to a waterlogged pitch. In the match against Leeds, he came on as a substitute for Matthew Le Tissier after 32 minutes but his performance was spectacularly below Premier League quality. He was later substituted (by Ken Monkou) after playing for 53 minutes; Leeds won the match 2–0.
Dia was released by Southampton two weeks into his contract. He briefly played for non-league Gateshead, before fading into obscurity.
He has achieved a notorious status amongst English football fans for his lack of ability, and is regularly featured in lists of bad players or bad transfers. He was named at #1 in a list of "The 50 worst footballers", by newspaper The Times.
That's all.
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fergo
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^^^^
As I have said when I wrote the post I also had a newspaper in front of me that said he had won the league in Portugal. I don’t trust wiki one bit on most things to be fair but it was the first result when I did a Google search.
It is fair enough to call anyone’s ability in to question but, but I think he would thrive in the National job where the current crop of players and current situation would suit him perfectly.
There in no nonsense, he went to Turkey, putting his neck out to go and experience a different football environment, not many managers do that these days and he will have gained from it no doubt.
I used the example of Newcastle only to highlight the fact that he is one of a long list of managers that hasn’t done anything there. Something tells me that it was not all down to him.
I am no way in love with Souness, I want the best for the Scottish national team and I believe that to be him.
Clearly the Dia incident is poor. But I don’t think anyone can claim to know the full goings on leading up to and during the transfer. Not everything you read is gospel. He was clearly woeful but quite often players are signed these days on recommendations or from DVD’s especially if there is desperate need for a player.
As I have said when I wrote the post I also had a newspaper in front of me that said he had won the league in Portugal. I don’t trust wiki one bit on most things to be fair but it was the first result when I did a Google search.
It is fair enough to call anyone’s ability in to question but, but I think he would thrive in the National job where the current crop of players and current situation would suit him perfectly.
There in no nonsense, he went to Turkey, putting his neck out to go and experience a different football environment, not many managers do that these days and he will have gained from it no doubt.
I used the example of Newcastle only to highlight the fact that he is one of a long list of managers that hasn’t done anything there. Something tells me that it was not all down to him.
I am no way in love with Souness, I want the best for the Scottish national team and I believe that to be him.
Clearly the Dia incident is poor. But I don’t think anyone can claim to know the full goings on leading up to and during the transfer. Not everything you read is gospel. He was clearly woeful but quite often players are signed these days on recommendations or from DVD’s especially if there is desperate need for a player.
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GmanJock
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Lets be honest when it comes to the Scotland Job, im a 'little' biased to be honest as im a Jags fan through and through, but it should be handed over to John Lambie
hed be a fantastic appointment
DT_Xtremez_30:
hed be a fantastic appointment
DT_Xtremez_30:
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fergo
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Lets be honest when it comes to the Scotland Job, im a 'little' biased to be honest as im a Jags fan through and through, but it should be handed over to John Lambie
hed be a fantastic appointment
LOL has he not retired?
His pigeons would miss him if he was at an away game
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fergo
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Scottish FA plays down Burns link
Scottish FA plays down Burns link
Scottish FA chief executive Gordon Smith has denied the appointment of Billy Stark is a precursor to Tommy Burns being made national team boss.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7176477.stm
Scottish FA plays down Burns link
Scottish FA chief executive Gordon Smith has denied the appointment of Billy Stark is a precursor to Tommy Burns being made national team boss.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7176477.stm
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fergo
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I know there has been a mixed hoistory at Club level i just feel he would get the best out of the players as he was once in their shoes.
And he would be respected by them
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Albert Park
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I admire your persistence at flogging a dead horse.
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GmanJock
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You do know he would be brilliant though, he does have the passionate attitude to run riot with the current Scottish National side all over Europe.
he is retired but id bet a few bob that if his name was seriously put through, he would clip the wings of his doos and go to the Hampden hotseat
DT_Xtremez_32:
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fergo
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Five considered for Scotland job
Five considered for Scotland job
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7186059.stm
Tommy Burns, Mark McGhee, Graeme Souness, George Burley and Billy Davies are on the SFA's shortlist, allegedly.
Five considered for Scotland job
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7186059.stm
Tommy Burns, Mark McGhee, Graeme Souness, George Burley and Billy Davies are on the SFA's shortlist, allegedly.
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fergo
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Davies out of race for Scots job
Davies out of race for Scots job
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7186059.stm
looking as if a decision is going to be made in the next week or so.
Davies out of race for Scots job
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7186059.stm
looking as if a decision is going to be made in the next week or so.
McGhee has been given permission to speak to the SFA. Looks like things are finally moving forward.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7191400.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7191400.stm