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Some would say......

Some would say......

Some would say that the fat, lazy WO is not so fat and rather a busy old chap at the moment. Some have even heard him say that he is very passionate about the trade and it's future and he is making the best out of a bad lot. I even heard that it keeps him up at night worrying about it.

If making hard decisions, telling people how it is and looking at the bigger picture is being arrogant, then I would rather have that than someone supping tea and sticking their head in the sand. You cannot please everybody.

He knows that the guys and girls are equally passionate about having a future and want to continue doing the excellent job that they are already doing.

Similarly, I reckon he would not want a slanging match on this forum. Constructive is better than destructive - I reckon if you have something positive to say he might just listen to you. Pass the ideas along.

Anyway be quick - I hear he takes a nap in the afternoon after his 'fat boys' lunch!
 
Welcome to the Goat FLWO. Protocol suggests using the intro thread before venting one's spleen :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
here at Halton we are getting a briefing on Tuesday morning from some team or other (old-style FSV type people) about the ongoing review and what its implications are likely to be. Will let you know if anything of interest comes from it.
 
FLWO said:
- I hear he takes a nap in the afternoon after his 'fat boys' lunch!
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Quite right too - It is the law - after all thats the real meaning of WO Man

Warrant
Officers
Mandatory
Afternoon
Nap

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OH yeah welcome to e-goat FLWO

Hu
 
Anyhoo, back to the topic on discussion. The last time I met the Trade Sponsor WO, it was a case of we have ideas, but no hard stats.

Tactical Admin Squadron (TAS) is an idea that has been bandied about for 15 years and the potential for it becoming a reality is remote, in my view, but at least the big boys are looking into it.

Other things, such as replacing stackers in SCAF, medics in Med Admin, Mess Managers and Cat Accts have also been chucked into the melting pot, but as other trades also need to justify their numbers, then it was always going to be a case of Trade Sponsors stripping to their waists and fighting like gypsys to try and beat the other trades in keeping jobs within the Trade Group.
 
Suspension of postings to certain job

Suspension of postings to certain job

Due to current suspension on postings to certain jobs, life currently on hold. Does the FLWO know when Drafters will be able to resume the normal service?

Similarly, I reckon he would not want a slanging match on this forum. Constructive is better than destructive - I reckon if you have something positive to say he might just listen to you. Pass the ideas along
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How about having one of these message board thingies on the Sec Sponsors RAF Intranet site - could help with the flow of communication.....
 
Hang on, this TAS thing was bandied about for years when I was in. We went from the DAG to this ****e! Sorry if it offends but there are very few in the trade that are tactical! Remember we're chairborne not airborne! And it'd be a total non starter.

On the subject of RMCs and their filing............argh, don't get me started!:PDT_Xtremez_42:
 
I thought the trade was downsizing and not taking on more tasks. We used to do a lot of Int stuff bout 10/12 years ago, but they had a review and changed a lot of posts to In An, if I remember correctly. Full Circle springs to mind if it is true.
 
Here's a thought, having discussed this at length with a fellow fecked off admin bod. Why not contract out all admin jobs under the mac and for any jobs which require sunshine travel etc, just give to sponsored reserves. That way you can have cheap civvies all the way through the myriad of jobs that we seem to have at half the price. (If this happens then I shall start doing the lottery, mystic meg better watch out.) Then the powers that be can Kill us off properly with a large lump sum, and not just keep us hanging around waiting for a mass PVR. Speaking from experience most of us shineys are sat wondering whether it all still worth it.

Off Topic I am waiting for the first JPA related suicide as well (think it's gonna be me first!) Almost 12 months of this system and we are still ironing out the bugs, some of which should hav been picked up before the roll out. Had a full head of hair Apr last year, and now.....
 
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Kernow said:
Here's a thought, having discussed this at length with a fellow fecked off admin bod. Why not contract out all admin jobs under the mac and for any jobs which require sunshine travel etc, just give to sponsored reserves. That way you can have cheap civvies all the way through the myriad of jobs that we seem to have at half the price. (If this happens then I shall start doing the lottery, mystic meg better watch out.) Then the powers that be can Kill us off properly with a large lump sum, and not just keep us hanging around waiting for a mass PVR. Speaking from experience most of us shineys are sat wondering whether it all still worth it.

Off Topic I am waiting for the first JPA related suicide as well (think it's gonna be me first!) Almost 12 months of this system and we are still ironing out the bugs, some of which should hav been picked up before the roll out. Had a full head of hair Apr last year, and now.....
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Large lump sum? Is the weather nice on your planet?
 
Earlier posts have stated that most initiatives are instigated by senior officers wanting to get one rung up the ladder, can't disagree with that, however Shineys and your commissioned brethren Scribblies need to look up and see who our Air Rank support is.

Using the medic rumour, as it includes commissioned as well as non commissioned posts, it has been stymied at the moment as DGMS, a 2* has turned it down.

Who does the trade and branch have? Our current AOA is a 1*, where previously the post was a 2* level. AOA is also ACOS Spt at STC, so where fighting our corner, I believe, still has other local issues and pressures from above.

Bottom line, the branch/trade does not enjoy higher level support as much as other areas in the air force.
 
FLWO said:
Some would say that the fat, lazy WO is not so fat and rather a busy old chap at the moment. Some have even heard him say that he is very passionate about the trade and it's future and he is making the best out of a bad lot. I even heard that it keeps him up at night worrying about it.

If making hard decisions, telling people how it is and looking at the bigger picture is being arrogant, then I would rather have that than someone supping tea and sticking their head in the sand. You cannot please everybody.

He knows that the guys and girls are equally passionate about having a future and want to continue doing the excellent job that they are already doing.

Similarly, I reckon he would not want a slanging match on this forum. Constructive is better than destructive - I reckon if you have something positive to say he might just listen to you. Pass the ideas along.

Anyway be quick - I hear he takes a nap in the afternoon after his 'fat boys' lunch!
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If he hasn't got a sense of humour, perhaps he takes himself too seriously? Maybe a good time to change your voicemail message!
 
I do believe that the WO Trade Sponsor is trying to do his best for the trade, but with cutbacks and falling budgets, he is between a rock and a hard place in getting anywhere that will suit us troops. I believe that the f**k-up that is JPA may prove to be our salvation. Now before anyone goes mad and shoots me down, I will attempt to explain.

JPA is a commercial package that can deal with the run of the mill bod that stays in place year in year out. But our core skills are that we can pick up sticks and move to a new job and be a contributing asset in less than 2 weeks and it is our job to sort out JPA so that it can deal with our guys and gals going here, there and everywhere. Now I think that if the WO Trade Sponsor can sell our trade on that basis, then we should be good for a few more years yet and not be sold off so that MoD can replace us with cheaper civil servants who don't necessarily give a monkeys about results.

We are a responsible trade with fingers in lots of pies and should be able to use our skills and drills to keep the trade as a contributing member to the Service. In my last 3 jobs, my Service knowledge has counted for more than just being another Admin bod and I think that we have to ensure that we are flexible enough to deal with the hazards and the attempts to denigrate our trade in the next few years.

Gawd, that was far too serious for me! But seriously, DJ has got his Wobbly Orange and I believe that he is doing our best for us. I think that is how his hair has disappeared so much! :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
I've been a viewer of the site for only a while, and have been following this thread for a bit; I thought it about time that I had my two penneth on this subject. Firstly, I'm sure our Trade Sponsor is trying to do his best for the trade but in my opinion, it's much too little and a lot too late! The future of our trade has been rumbling on for many a year with the same ideas bouncing around but no bloody action being taken! Clerics in Med Centres, MT etc etc is not exactly a new philosophy but has anyone actually done anything to either promote or disuade the arguement? The problem, as I see it, is that too many a Trade Sponsor has taken on the job purely for the location and not for the kudos of the job and has sat happily in his Gloucester mansion not really giving a toss about fellow scribes so long as he can stay at Inns. Not saying for one minute that this applies to the current incumbent but I know there has been at least 5 Sponsors in the entire time I have been in my current post; not exactly any continuity there! That leads to my second point. Why on earth has the current trade review taken place after the last redundancy phase? Surely it should have been conducted before the redundancies were announced then 'they' would have had a better idea how many TG17 were actually needed for phase 3 instead of our usual 'finger in the air' routine. As usual the trade sells itself down the river and we'll end up with no promotion, no large redundancy pay off and no morale! My third (& final) point is this, why is the current trade review being conducted in a veil of secrecy? It's our trade for goodness (avoiding the 'F' word in my first posting!) sake! Why can't we know whats going on and what the future is likely to hold for those of us who actually want to have a future in the trade? Will the Fat Controller please stand up and let us know what is going on?!
 
Humble Scribe said:
I've been a viewer of the site for only a while, and have been following this thread for a bit; I thought it about time that I had my two penneth on this subject. Firstly, I'm sure our Trade Sponsor is trying to do his best for the trade but in my opinion, it's much too little and a lot too late! The future of our trade has been rumbling on for many a year with the same ideas bouncing around but no bloody action being taken! Clerics in Med Centres, MT etc etc is not exactly a new philosophy but has anyone actually done anything to either promote or disuade the arguement? The problem, as I see it, is that too many a Trade Sponsor has taken on the job purely for the location and not for the kudos of the job and has sat happily in his Gloucester mansion not really giving a toss about fellow scribes so long as he can stay at Inns. Not saying for one minute that this applies to the current incumbent but I know there has been at least 5 Sponsors in the entire time I have been in my current post; not exactly any continuity there! That leads to my second point. Why on earth has the current trade review taken place after the last redundancy phase? Surely it should have been conducted before the redundancies were announced then 'they' would have had a better idea how many TG17 were actually needed for phase 3 instead of our usual 'finger in the air' routine. As usual the trade sells itself down the river and we'll end up with no promotion, no large redundancy pay off and no morale! My third (& final) point is this, why is the current trade review being conducted in a veil of secrecy? It's our trade for goodness (avoiding the 'F' word in my first posting!) sake! Why can't we know whats going on and what the future is likely to hold for those of us who actually want to have a future in the trade? Will the Fat Controller please stand up and let us know what is going on?!
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All valid points, Scribe, which I am sure we have all muttered in the past ourselves.

Unfortunately, I also entirely agree with you - which is part of the reason why I personally have taken the chance to 'jump ship' under Tranche 3, rather than see our trade get shafted once more by those who are more interested in staying in the Gloucester area than looking after our own troops.

As far as the secrecy surrounding our own trade is concerned, it is hardly in the best interests of the Innsworth Mafia to let those at the coal face have any input. After all, it would most likely threaten the cosy existence that the majority of the mafiosi have enjoyed whilst making their decisions and policies without actually having to leave fortress PMA. Oh, I'm for it now - shouldn't have mentioned the Mafia word, because we're constantly told that no such thing exists!

With the recent reshuffle of HQ PTC and HQ STC, I wonder how many will manage to do 12 months at High Wycombe before being miraculously returned to the Gloucestershire fold? It was exactly the same when we still had our school at Hereford (best posting in the UK in my opinion). Being only 40 miles from their 'home', the number of TG17 personnel posted in from Innsworth to non-instructional posts was astounding. (An instructional role was a 3-year screened tour, so no chance of getting them onto one of those!) What is more, the vast majority of them managed to get back to Innsworth after a year, only to be replaced by yet another one of their own - probably the next in line for a "longest in post" move!

Anyway, rant over for now............. better not say any more, 'cos I need to pick up my clearance chit and discharge papers in the very near future!!!:PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
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