Trade Sponsors

[Kernow]

Grumpy Tech, who the fook's that?

 

[WorsethanJPA]

The truth is out there somewhere (probably near CHQ)

The truth is out there somewhere (probably near CHQ)

As I'm brand new to this forum, and also being stuck in the middle of nowhere with the carrot crunchers' and a chf shark that doesn't believe in diseeminating any info onto the irks, cam anyone shed any light on the trade review thats apparently happening? First I have heard of it!!

The Sleepy Priest,

Have no fear, unlike the Trade Sponspor, I am proactive and below is a heavily edited latest sitrep on the future (demise!) of our trade. Noticed that FLWO still hasn't answered my original post, pull your finger out DJ!!


Dear Colleagues,

RE-STRUCTURING OF THE ADMIN(SEC) BRANCH AND TRADE GROUP 17
(PERS ADMIN) SPECIALISATION

1. The last two issues of Admin Matters (Apr & Jul 06) highlighted ongoing studies and change programmes that have had, and will continue to have, an influence on the future of both Admin (Sec) and TG 17 cadres. The initiatives involved include the MTWS 5-driven manpower drawdown and the associated redundancy programme, the Admin “End To End” Review (AE2E), the CHQ transformation programme, the Defence Airfield Review, and in the longer term the RAF Manpower Capability and Structures Group (MCSG) Report. In addition to these activities we must also overlay the impact of the introduction of JPA to the RAF and the other Services, and the problems associated with the functionality that it offers in a number of areas.

2. The background to the various change programmes has been briefed regularly over the past 6 months at forums, such as the APS, and the issues that they present should be reasonably well understood. The challenges facing those who are seeking to shape the future of the branch and trade is to develop a way ahead that meets the short-term demands that arise principally from JPA, whilst at the same time adopting an approach that is coherent with the medium and longer term direction that we are likely to take. This is a difficult circle to square but one that is being aggressively pursued.

3. The detailed proposals of the AE2E review and MCSG are currently being scrutinized and an implementation plan developed. Given the complex inter-dependencies between the various workstrands, which must be viewed in the context of the prevailing pressures of the manpower drawdown, the current operational tempo and the performance of JPA, we are unlikely to finalize the way ahead on the short-term manpower requirement until sometime in Feb 07. Publicising the short-term future for both branch and trade remains a priority for the Branch/Trade Sponsor’s team, who expect to be in a position in Mar/Apr 07 to formally present the findings to the RAF at large. Formal agreement to the revised branch and trade structures proposed by MCSG and enactment of the wider-ranging proposals contained within the AE2E Review will require a further period of ratification and refinement, which may not be completed until 2008.

4. In moving forward we will aim to brigade our resources to meet the key demands placed upon the Admin (Sec) and TG17 cadres, evolving their structures to provide long-term sustainability.

5. The POCs for Secretarial and TG17 sponsor issues are Sqn Ldr J and WO D Numskull2, who are both located at CHQ High Wycombe within HQPTC A1 Division.


Signed on DII

 

[Humble Scribe]

I believe this is an extract of the letter sent out by 1* Admin chappy just before Christmas that was eagerly awaited and actually told us cock-all! The last two additions of Admin matters were equally lacking in hard facts (unless you wanted career profiles of the Sec Sponsor and his side-kick).

Don't hold you breath for an answer from FLWO; this is hardly the forum to provide that information anyway. Whilst it's easy to criticise the Sponsor, the decisions are coming from way above his pay band and and the only thing they're currently guilty of is not providing information to the trade as a whole. Their hands may well be tied in that respect as well. Whilst I don't have any fondness for the SS's office you can hardly blame the current incumbents for the ineptitude that has been going on for years.

 

[True Blue Jack]

and the only thing they're currently guilty of is not providing information to the trade as a whole.

That's the point. We are going along, not knowing if we have a job in the next couple of years.

Whilst I don't have any fondness for the SS's office you can hardly blame the current incumbents for the ineptitude that has been going on for years.

I don't blame them for past ineptitude, but only the current incumbents can improve things.

 

[Chuffybum]

Trade Sponsors

Im a Techie and I can assure you that we've been in this boat for years. Multi-skilling, admin, accountantancy etc etc etc. Welcome to the modern Air Force.

 

[shez]

Staties

Staties



Just a quick question to all you fellow staties out there....................does anyone know wether TG17 will no longer provide support to Stats?

 

[True Blue Jack]

Just a quick question to all you fellow staties out there....................does anyone know wether TG17 will no longer provide support to Stats?

I hope not; there are lies, damn lies and statistics. We're better off without them, and disguising them as 'Performance Indicators' does not fool anybody.DT_Xtremez_32:

In all seriousness, it is quite clear that if anybody does have an inkling what the future holds for TG17, then they are keeping it very close to their chests.

 

[Statto]

Just a quick question to all you fellow staties out there....................does anyone know wether TG17 will no longer provide support to Stats?

From what little I can gather I believe that stats posts, certainly on sqns, are safe. Thereagain remember when we were assimilated into the Borg, sorry Pers Admin, what we were told then. What goes around, comes around.

 

[shez]

From what little I can gather I believe that stats posts, certainly on sqns, are safe. Thereagain remember when we were assimilated into the Borg, sorry Pers Admin, what we were told then. What goes around, comes around.

I have heard that anyone already in a Stats post and being posted or detached away are not being replaced!! Any thoughts?

 

[Humble Scribe]

I have heard that anyone already in a Stats post and being posted or detached away are not being replaced!! Any thoughts?

I don't think that's just the Statty posts it's most of the TG17 posts; until they know what's going on, there'll not be replacements for many of the vacated posts. If you read the Feb 07 Chf Clks Bulletin there's a litle bit of information on what's going on.

 

[Still-a-statty]

Stats Posts

Stats Posts

I'm on a Tonka Sqn at Marham, and we've got a new Stats Clerk posted in, after gapping the post for over a year, so some movement must still be going on.::/:

 

[PSFbeatch]

I'm on a Tonka Sqn at Marham, and we've got a new Stats Clerk posted in, after gapping the post for over a year, so some movement must still be going on.::/:

oddly... most of the SAC statty post on the sqns at marham have been gapped for long periods and they had a sudden iflux, ive just moved from there and I managed to get a posting.

 

[Still-a-statty]

Lets be honest, the management of TG17 have never wanted ex-statties and have done everything in in there power to dis-establish stattie post whererever the opportunity has presented itself.::/:

 

[monobrow]

oddly... most of the SAC statty post on the sqns at marham have been gapped for long periods and they had a sudden iflux

Thats soooo true... Been having gapped posts for up to 4 months, and now with manpower reductions their looking into whether Docs can be a secondary duty for one of the lads.......

I did chuckle!

 

[True Blue Jack]

Lets be honest, the management of TG17 have never wanted ex-statties and have done everything in in there power to dis-establish stattie post whererever the opportunity has presented itself.::/:

I think you're being a tad paranoid, mate. I just think with computer literacy levels soaring as they have been, data analysis is no longer the black art it used to be.

 

[Statto]

I think you're being a tad paranoid, mate. I just think with computer literacy levels soaring as they have been, data analysis is no longer the black art it used to be.

Have to disagree there. When you see some of the stuff that is produced by the local 'stats expert' with Excel it's pretty pants. Any monkey can use the software but try using it to produce a proper trend analysis or even something as simple as a 3 month rolling average. Excel can't do it properly and I doubt very much if anyone who did a Q-SEC-STATS course would be able to either.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Have to disagree there. When you see some of the stuff that is produced by the local 'stats expert' with Excel it's pretty pants. Any monkey can use the software but try using it to produce a proper trend analysis or even something as simple as a 3 month rolling average. Excel can't do it properly and I doubt very much if anyone who did a Q-SEC-STATS course would be able to either.

A mate of mine (ex-statty, took redundancy, now living in NZ) got the Stats course binned while he was instructing because it had become just a basic Excel course. I can only assume that the "pants" produced by monkeys on Excel are the kinds of stats that our lords and masters are interested in.

 

[woollymouse]

Lets be honest, the management of TG17 have never wanted ex-statties and have done everything in in there power to dis-establish stattie post whererever the opportunity has presented itself.::/:

I don't think the problem was the ex-statties coming into the Pers Admin trade, you were always part of trade Group 17 like the Court Recorders. It was the amaglamation of the RAF Admin (trade Group 10) into the trade that was the biggest bug bear. Yes there was and to a certain extent still is a rivalry between the Ex-Stats bods and the Pers Admins but at least the majority of your trade have made an effort, some of you are even very clued up (more than some clerks who were in from the start). At this time there is a push to disestablish Admin posts accross the board not just Stats slots, the view is why pay a Serviceman when a civvie can do the job for less.

 

[Statto]

A mate of mine (ex-statty, took redundancy, now living in NZ) got the Stats course binned while he was instructing because it had become just a basic Excel course. I can only assume that the "pants" produced by monkeys on Excel are the kinds of stats that our lords and masters are interested in.

Pretty coloured pictures are always nice, 'specially for senior orifices to look at, even if they don't know what it means.DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[Humble Scribe]

Pretty coloured pictures are always nice, 'specially for senior orifices to look at, even if they don't know what it means.DT_Xtremez_15:

Too right! From my experience nobody ever checks the stats that you provide (manpower/estabs/Manning etc) so as long as you give it a decent stab at, the top brass are more than happy whether you've spent 5 hours researching it or five minutes! Tell 'em what they want to hear and they're more than satisfied. As TBJ says, there are lies, damn lies and statistics!!